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rooster · Apr 22, 2004

Anybody has counseled mentally troubled kids or experiance with this sort of matters or just any good advise for the person here. Please help.

http://www.christianforums.com/t154367

simchat_torah · Apr 22, 2004

I have responded.

Plan 9 · Apr 22, 2004

Yes, I have, Rooster; I'll see what I can do.

Hix · Apr 22, 2004

Planny, your PM is switched off...

rooster · Apr 22, 2004

My sane mind is something which i am most thankful for. Lets pray that that boy would recover his mind no matter what the original problem is.
Great responses Simchat and Plan.

rooster · Apr 22, 2004

He has posted the kid's medication and a little more details

P_G · Apr 22, 2004

OK I went I shared
I pray I don't get a whole ration of doo doo now

church folk don't really understand mental illness.

blessings

PG

rooster · Apr 22, 2004

Nehemiah_Center said:
church folk don't really understand mental illness.

That was a good post PG.

Well, at least nobody had suggested lobotomy

Plan 9 · Apr 22, 2004

If she starts hauling him to meetings to get demons cast out of him, or to have him freed of "demon oppression", then the state will take him from her, and he'll have to start over in a new foster home.

simchat_torah · Apr 22, 2004

Ok, I have now posted again concerning the meds, etc.

WildCelt · Apr 23, 2004

I posted as well.

Good grief! I have worked in the mental health field for over 13 years; I'm a social worker and my wife is a psychologist. Like misconceptions/stereotypes about Judaism, misconceptions/stereotypes about mental illness really irk me.

Plan 9 · Apr 23, 2004

WildCelt said:
I posted as well.

Good grief! I have worked in the mental health field for over 13 years; I'm a social worker and my wife is a psychologist. Like misconceptions/stereotypes about Judaism, misconceptions/stereotypes about mental illness really irk me.

Being mentally ill would be bad enough, but that's only the beginning, isn't it?

rooster · Apr 23, 2004

WildCelt said:
I posted as well.

Good grief! I have worked in the mental health field for over 13 years; I'm a social worker and my wife is a psychologist. Like misconceptions/stereotypes about Judaism, misconceptions/stereotypes about mental illness really irk me.

Yeah, the OP needs sound and wise advises. Not misconceptions with Salem-ish mentalities.
The expertise found here in the messianic forum is quite amazing.

Cheers Celt
Cheers everybody

WildCelt · Apr 23, 2004

You are quite correct, unfortunately.

In my current position, I work as an advocate of sorts. I investigate abuse and neglect complaints, monitor adult foster care homes, and provide training an education to all staff we employ either directly or via contract.

A big part of my job is countering stigma. Unfortunately, business for me is booming...

simchat_torah · Apr 23, 2004

The last post made there simply said the following:

Demons - get some good spiritual help as soon as possible

*sigh*

Plan 9 · Apr 23, 2004

WildCelt said:
You are quite correct, unfortunately.

In my current position, I work as an advocate of sorts. I investigate abuse and neglect complaints, monitor adult foster care homes, and provide training an education to all staff we employ either directly or via contract.

A big part of my job is countering stigma. Unfortunately, business for me is booming...

We could use lots more like you...but you know that...
I need an advocate myself. I know they exist, but they're seen as aversarial, rather than as facilitating mutual communication and problem solving, so my state workers are mum on the subject, and the local chapter of the Epilepsy Foundation of the Ozarks closed for lack of funds, and enough about me...

Have you read Irving Goffman's Stigma and Presentation of Self in Everyday Life?

Plan 9 · Apr 23, 2004

simchat_torah said:
The last post made there simply said the following:
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*sigh*

I get told the same thing here, now, and then, Yafet.

Plan 9 · Apr 23, 2004

rooster said:
Yeah, the OP needs sound and wise advises. Not misconceptions with Salem-ish mentalities.
The expertise found here in the messianic forum is quite amazing.

Really, this is an amazing bunch here, Rooster!

WildCelt · Apr 23, 2004

Plan 9 said:
We could use lots more like you...but you know that...
I need an advocate myself. I know they exist, but they're seen as aversarial, rather than as facilitating mutual communication and problem solving, so my state workers are mum on the subject, and the local chapter of the Epilepsy Foundation of the Ozarks closed for lack of funds, and enough about me...

Yeah, that does happen at times. There are those that use their zeal as a club sometimes. I learned a very important lesson in that when I first started this job. I received a call from another advoacy organization asking questions about a particular case. Silly me, I assumed we were on the same side, but I was mistaken. The individual was very accusatory and belligerent. This type of behavior, IMO, only seeks to further alienate and complicate the problem.

Plan 9 said:
Have you read Irving Goffman's Stigma and Presentation of Self in Everyday Life?

No. Is it good?

Plan 9 · Apr 23, 2004

WildCelt said:
Yeah, that does happen at times. There are those that use their zeal as a club sometimes. I learned a very important lesson in that when I first started this job. I received a call from another advoacy organization asking questions about a particular case. Silly me, I assumed we were on the same side, but I was mistaken. The individual was very accusatory and belligerent. This type of behavior, IMO, only seeks to further alienate and complicate the problem.

Yes, silly you. You weren't the enemy, so you weren't expecting to be treated as though you were.

I don't just need help with social agencies; I also need help with my landlady, who I fear is going to refuse to renew my lease because I can't keep my apartment as nice as her high standards demand, even though I rented it in a rundown condition from earlier owners to try to avoid this problem. I pass an official inspection each year in order to receive rental assistance, but the state and local housing authority's standards are not hers, and she cannot accept that I'm as disabled as I am.
We've had 'words', and that never would have happened if I'd had someone to speak for me who can meet her personal standards; I'm nothing but lumphen-proletariat, and my family is no longer able to step in for me to provide the status I lack, or to speak as socially appropriately as I once could.

No. Is it good?

YES! Those are two different books, and they're wonderful. Everything I've read by him is super!

I believe that Ayslums is his earliest work, writen in the sixties. He checked into a long term mental hospital and studied both staff and patients; and made many interesting dicoveries: for instance, recognising that mutism was a patent's way of regaining lost control, rather than a symptom of his illness.
His writing is very, very formal, but he sometimes has his tongue in his cheek as he matches the required jargon needed to both publish and be taken seriously.
The Pesentation of Self in Everyday Life treats with social interaction when all is going well; the other books tend to deal with instances when it goes awry.

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