Help me list venial sins....and mortal sins

Woodsy · May 17, 2006

Those links say, "[FONT=&quot]It is not necessary to confess venial sins, but it is a good and pious practice[/FONT]."

Is this accurate?

epiclesis · May 17, 2006

Domi_Adsum_05 said:
Those links say, "[FONT=&quot]It is not necessary to confess venial sins, but it is a good and pious practice[/FONT]."

Is this accurate?

yes.

venial sins are washed away by receiving the Eucharist.

we're not required to confess venial sins, but no harm in it at all, and of course could gain us a little more humility.

Deb7777 · May 17, 2006

Here is some articles on the Catholic perspective on Purgatory: http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a94.htm ~~***~~~http://www.catholic.com/library/Roots_of_Purgatory.asp ~~~***~~~http://mafg.home.isp-direct.com/dogma01.htm ~~~***~~~~ http://www.prayrosary.com/FAQ/purgatory.php3

Febe · May 17, 2006

Steph said:
venial sins are washed away by receiving the Eucharist.

This sounds great! Could You show me where I can find this statement? Even though I go to confession with my venial sins every second week (= twice since general confession), this would mean that I´m quite clean most of the time, as I receive the Holy Communion several times a week?!

epiclesis · May 17, 2006

Febe said:
This sounds great! Could You show me where I can find this statement? Even though I go to confession with my venial sins every second week (= twice since general confession), this would mean that I´m quite clean most of the time, as I receive the Holy Communion several times a week?!

Q. What are the ways in which venial sin can be forgiven?

F.X., Washington, DC
A. The forgiveness of venial sins is a very important part of our Catholic faith. First of all, there are two things that can be forgiven for the commission of venial sins. The guilt can be forgiven, which means the grace lost through venial sins can be restored. Secondly the punishment due to venial sins can be remitted, either entirely or partially.
Given the above premises, venial sins can be forgiven in all the ways that we can obtain grace from God. Thus every reception of Holy Communion, every participation at Mass, every adoration of the Holy Eucharist, every reception of the sacrament of penance, every indulgence gained, every prayer said, every act of piety performed in the state of grace are all means by which venial sins are forgiven as described above.
One more proviso should be added. We obtain remission of our venial sins in the degree that we are united with God by His grace and perform a good work with an awareness and a willingness to do Gods will. The more generous we are in doing Gods will in our lives, the more our guilt and penalty for venial sins are remitted.

http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Faith/JAN-FEB99/FrHardon.html

Theresa--
Venial sins may be forgiven by Communion (CCC 1394). The Church does not require the confession of venial sins, but it does strongly recommend it (cf. CCC 1458).
Michelle Arnold
Catholic Answers

http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?Pgnu=1&Pg=Forum4&recnu=1&number=468091

Kusanagi · May 17, 2006

So on the criteria that makes sin mortal. Would that mean that during my agnostic years, I just commited venial sins for I did not have a knowlage nor a firm believe that the act was wrong?

Steph said:
venial sins are washed away by receiving the Eucharist.

we're not required to confess venial sins, but no harm in it at all, and of course could gain us a little more humility.

I want to confess them anyway. I just want to be free from all sins, both venial and mortal.

epiclesis · May 17, 2006

Kusanagi said:
I want to confess them anyway. I just want to be free from all sins, both venial and mortal.

that's perfectly fine. it's just not required... they're(venial only) washed away by receiving the Eucharist.

WarriorAngel · May 17, 2006

Diseppellin reread the text you quoted.

If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.

What did he escape from? His sins...his works [sins are included], he is escaping THROUGH the flames...

he is escaping punishment by going thru the flames...he is being purged.

God is fire.

Purgatory is a promise that Heaven is the next phase after we are cleansed by God Himself thru His firey love.

You have to read things completely and slowly for it to be absorbed.

Kusanagi, it does state that not beleiving in God is a mortal sin. So it is good you did confess and come back.
You did the right thing.

Thanks Deb7777 for the links. I believe Diseppilin should read them. It would help him comprehend purgatory. AND that is his goal I believe.

Thanks Steph.

Febe · May 17, 2006

Thanks! So it seems as if I do what is strongly recommended... ... and receiving the Eucharist!

Fine! Every step with God in His will is in the right direction...

WarriorAngel · May 17, 2006

"As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come." [St. Gregory the Great, Dial 4:39, PL 77:396; cf. Mt 12:31]

Thanks Deb...pulled this one out.

graysparrow · May 17, 2006

The lists provided are crazy.

Disippelen · May 17, 2006

If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Cor 3:14-15

WarriorAngel said:
Diseppellin reread the text you quoted.

What did he escape from? His sins...his works [sins are included], he is escaping THROUGH the flames...

he is escaping punishment by going thru the flames...he is being purged.

God is fire.

Purgatory is a promise that Heaven is the next phase after we are cleansed by God Himself thru His firey love.

You have to read things completely and slowly for it to be absorbed.

Thanks Steph.

Who says that I will face purgatory..? the verses clearly state that if your works PASS the test, you will not have to escape through fires. Why should I believe that my works for God will NOT pass the test? I believe that my works for the Lord on that day WILL pass the test, since I intend to live with Jesus daily, and become more and more like Him.

I can do everything through him who gives me strength. Phil 4:13

I don't know what you're plans for the future are, but I'm not going to face purgatory. I will be an obedient disciple that God will not have to purge (if it was do that He would do).

I'll pray for us all my friend.

your brother in Christ

Disippelen

Disippelen · May 17, 2006

Deb7777 said:
Here is some articles on the Catholic perspective on Purgatory: http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a94.htm ~~***~~~http://www.catholic.com/library/Roots_of_Purgatory.asp ~~~***~~~http://mafg.home.isp-direct.com/dogma01.htm ~~~***~~~~ http://www.prayrosary.com/FAQ/purgatory.php3

Hey Deb, I read some of it.. I think that the basic misconception of the answers to the attacks on purgatory is the misconception of what happens between death on earth and entry into heaven.

Remember, that the new heaven, the eternal place, the new Jerusalem, isn't made yet (it will be "about" the day of judgement, (noting that time in this dimension might be quite different from what we experience here on earth) ). Rev 21:1-2

When the peoples of the Old covenant died, they got to the kingdom of death, either to rest, or to agony. Luke 16:19-31 The devil had the power of death, Heb 2:14-15, but Jesus changed that when He died on the cross and overcome death 1 Pet 3:18-20, 1 Pet 4:6, so the believers that were held in the kingdom of death were released. Matt 27:52, And future believers will not have to face death at all, because of Christ's complete work. John 11:25-26, Rom 6:8, Gal 2:19 etc.

There is a difference between the Old and the New coventants: Jesus Christ. Things changed, Heb 7:12,22, Heb 8:6-7,13, Heb 9:15.

So, there are a place between us and the last judgement. The eternal place will be either the new heaven or the lake of fire Rev 20:11-15, Isa 65:17. Inbetween there was the kingdom of death, that consisted of two parts Heb 3:17-19, but when Jesus fulfilled His work, the believers were freed from the (better) part, and will wait for the final judgement. There was no passing inbetween the two parts of the kingdom of death (Luke 16) And so, there's no biblical references for purgatory either. I can see that there are vast material for purgatory among human writings, but i can't anything that says so in the Bible, God's revealation to us.

Dis

WarriorAngel · May 17, 2006

Diseppilin you may not debate in here.
But you may enquire. Or fellowship.

Anyway, you are new...just letting you know.

Also you may not believe in purgatory an ancient belief of the Church...which means it was not only Tradition but maintained in Jewish custom too...
Because the Jews also knew by Tradition that souls can be prayed for and offerings made for their time in purgation to be shortened.

YOU may not agree with it, but it is ancient.

And Macabbees; although thrown out of your Bible, is quite clear on that Tradition of the jews...and the Apostles apparently never changed that.

You will find nothing disputing this from them...and you will also see they taught from Macabbees and dueteor's.

They quoted those books...that should be sufficient to show they kept Tradition and handed it down.

There is nothing to suggest the Church made it up in the 3rd century when they wrote about it as though it always existed...

And you might not see the verses for what they are, but you cannot decide for yourself what scripture means without an authority instructing you [so say the Apostles]...which is true even for Catholics, and the EO and all Churches....but most of Tradition is insinuated in scripture whereas protestants accept Trinity which inferred but is no where in scripture...same for the hypostatic union of Christ.
And Sunday as the Lord's day.

It seems most are selective to what Traditions they have taken off of the Catholics.

BUT all Traditions are standing...and taught by the Apostles who knew from Christ Himself.

Christ said we must go to jail until we repay the last farthing....

HOW can we get out of hell? We cannot.
And we dont consider Heaven a jail.

Globalnomad · May 18, 2006

I am not sure what you mean by saying that venial sins are "washed away" by Communion. No more Purgatory time for them? Then every Communion would automatically be the equivalent of a plenary indulgence, unless you are "due" some punishment for an already confessed and forgiven mortal sin.

I don't think it's that simple, I don't think we get off Purgatory that easily.

And I think it is vital to confess venial sins. "We are not required", in the sense that we are still in God's grace and may go to Communion even if we have not confessed them last time we went.... but you have to confess them at least from time to time to time, or you are losing most of the value of Confession. Confessing a sin gives grace to overcome it; if you never confess it, it will grow and grow until it becomes mortal.

graysparrow · May 18, 2006

If you were really serious you will never stop confessing venial sins

WarriorAngel · May 18, 2006

I always confess all sins, because I wish to avoid purgatory if at all possible. Whichever they are...venial or mortal. [I just feel they are sins]

Yet on the same token, I keep committing venial sins.
Graysparrow, could you tell us the lists then?

Because I desire to know. If this list matches the one RCIA gives out according to Michie...with explanations, then I am curious about differences if the lists are wrong.

Disippelen · May 19, 2006

WarriorAngel said:
I always confess all sins, because I wish to avoid purgatory if at all possible. Whichever they are...venial or mortal. [I just feel they are sins]

Yet on the same token, I keep committing venial sins.
Graysparrow, could you tell us the lists then?

Because I desire to know. If this list matches the one RCIA gives out according to Michie...with explanations, then I am curious about differences if the lists are wrong.

OK.. no discussing. that's okay..

but it is possible to avoid purgatory then? that's good news..

Dis

Febe · May 19, 2006

Disippelen said:
Hey Deb, I read some of it.. I think that the basic misconception of the answers to the attacks on purgatory is the misconception of what happens between death on earth and entry into heaven.

Remember, that the new heaven, the eternal place, the new Jerusalem, isn't made yet (it will be "about" the day of judgement, (noting that time in this dimension might be quite different from what we experience here on earth) ). Rev 21:1-2

When the peoples of the Old covenant died, they got to the kingdom of death, either to rest, or to agony. Luke 16:19-31 The devil had the power of death, Heb 2:14-15, but Jesus changed that when He died on the cross and overcome death 1 Pet 3:18-20, 1 Pet 4:6, so the believers that were held in the kingdom of death were released. Matt 27:52, And future believers will not have to face death at all, because of Christ's complete work. John 11:25-26, Rom 6:8, Gal 2:19 etc.

There is a difference between the Old and the New coventants: Jesus Christ. Things changed, Heb 7:12,22, Heb 8:6-7,13, Heb 9:15.

So, there are a place between us and the last judgement. The eternal place will be either the new heaven or the lake of fire Rev 20:11-15, Isa 65:17. Inbetween there was the kingdom of death, that consisted of two parts Heb 3:17-19, but when Jesus fulfilled His work, the believers were freed from the (better) part, and will wait for the final judgement. There was no passing inbetween the two parts of the kingdom of death (Luke 16) And so, there's no biblical references for purgatory either. I can see that there are vast material for purgatory among human writings, but i can't anything that says so in the Bible, God's revealation to us.

Dis

Just kidding!

For good answers, please read the other... ...that is, the other answers given...

WarriorAngel · May 19, 2006

Disippelen said:
OK.. no discussing. that's okay..

Disippelen said:
but it is possible to avoid purgatory then? that's good news..

Dis

Well first try to resolve to abstain from ALL sins...and confess all sins as often as possible.

Remember Christ says that he remembers our sins no more...after we confess them.

So, in order to go to Heaven, one must make a perfect [meaning honest] contrition at the end of their life and enter immediately into Heaven.

Not possible for everyone.....as you recall, many folks might die suddenly by a train or car wreck, explosion, being bombed, or any number of unplanned yet very quick deaths.
[which is why we must abstain from mortal sins] and if and since we die with venial sins that were not forgiven yet.......... we go thru the final stage of jsutification by Christ. God's love is fire....

WITH which we must go thru in order to be perfect in lieu of a perfect contrition at the end of our life.
GOD IS FIRE, AND HIS LOVE FOR THE SINNERS IS FIRE WHICH TRIES US LIKE SILVER.

Proverbs 30
5 Every word of God is fire tried: he is a buckler to them that hope in him.
Deuteronomy 4
24 Because the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.
Hebrews 12
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Psalms 17
31 As for my God, his way is undefiled: the words of the Lord are fire tried: he is the protector of all that trust in him.
Psalms 65
10 For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us by fire, as silver is tried.
Zacharias 13
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined: and I will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them. I will say: Thou art my people: and they shall say: The Lord is my God.
Isaias 30
33 For Topheth is prepared from yesterday, prepared by the king, deep, and wide. The nourishment thereof is fire and much wood: the breath of the Lord as a torrent of brimstone kindling it.
Job 31
12 It is a fire that devoureth even to destruction, and rooteth up all things that spring.
Nahum 2
3 The shield of his mighty men is like fire, the men of the army are clad in scarlet, the reins of the chariot are flaming in the day of his preparation, and the drivers are stupefied.
Leviticus 6
13 This is the perpetual fire which shall never go out on the altar.
Psalms 9
23 Whilst the wicked man is proud, the poor is set on fire: they are caught in the counsels which they devise.
Proverbs 17
3 As silver is tried by fire, and gold in the furnace: so the Lord trieth the hearts.
Ecclesiasticus 21
10 The congregation of sinners is like tow heaped together, and the end of them is a flame of fire.

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