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The focus is not Scriptural, it's not about him getting us, it's about us getting him.I assume many of you saw that "He Gets Us" Super Bowl commercial
or maybe some of you have experience with the organization
seem like it was very controversial--I am curious to hear your thoughts on it
In our case, this was a congregation I've mentioned before. It was a very small Church of God congregation in rural Maryland in the late 80s. Not only were we the only black (or even non-white) family, the pastor and I were the only men still young enough to be wage earners. All the other members were retired farmers and their wives...not even Boomers, they were Silent Gen and War Gen people.Yes, I'm certain that you indeed have, RD. But I'm concerned that so many others here haven't, even though they give lip service to that very thing.
Ultimately, as it's been said, "Jesus accept you as you are, but He doesn't leave you as you are."The focus is not Scriptural, it's not about him getting us, it's about us getting him.
I am not sure how you think what I said was an "interpretive right leaning skid"This is laughable. You're committing the "interpretive right leaning skid" that I was alluding to earlier.
You can do better than that, Merrill. You have a PhD. Use it, brother!
This is a common slander of ChristiansMany Christians are thriving on their free ticket to heaven......their "salvation". Believing that when they accept Jesus as the Messiah, they are free and clear of all sins they have or might commit. All they need to do is ask forgiveness if they do wrong, and get it. Problem is, they'll do it again, and again, and again with the "I can do what I want and always be forgiven...no problem".
IMO, that is evident in the attitudes and actions of today's far-right evangelicals and the "christian nationalism" that oozes out of their pores. They want to believe only the things that comfort them as far as their religion. That is why the lies and distortions of the truth they listen to prevail in their minds.
This is a common slander of Christians
Read my post again. I didn't say "all Christians". I said "many". As I stated, their behavior is evident in far-right christianity. Although you may not believe this is Christian behavior, they do......and this gives the Christian religion a black-eye and keeps many folks at arms distance from it. The "He gets us" message will bring folks closer to Christianity than the gospel of the far-right.this idea that Christians are simply seeking a "get-out-of-jail-free" card, or want a faith that allows them to behave with depravity, and yet earn forgiveness, is simply not true
That's an awesome account to hear, RD. But where I live, the opposite sort of church among the Silent Generation and War Gen was, back in the day, preponderant. In fact...........well, I don't want to go into the grisly details. I'll just be thankful to know that you've been a part of a congregation that was somehow able to get around that racial mess.In our case, this was a congregation I've mentioned before. It was a very small Church of God congregation in rural Maryland in the late 80s. Not only were we the only black (or even non-white) family, the pastor and I were the only men still young enough to be wage earners. All the other members were retired farmers and their wives...not even Boomers, they were Silent Gen and War Gen people.
And yet, they were probably one of the most actively accepting congregation we have been members of. Our current congregation--which is also mostly white people older than we are (and I'm 70 now) about equals them.
So, when I say having them gladly wash our feet was an interesting experience, you probably don't get it unless you're our age or you've watched "To Kill a Mockingbird."
The focus is not Scriptural, it's not about him getting us, it's about us getting him.
This is a common slander of Christians
John 14:15 states quite clearly "If you love me, you will obey my commandments".
Christians have the obligation to avoid sin, and there is a judgment in the after-life. Christians also love Jesus, who is "the law", and are compelled to keep his commandments. In the fullest sense, the acceptance of Christ is transformational, and the fruits of this faith are good works and living a life God wants us to live.
this idea that Christians are simply seeking a "get-out-of-jail-free" card, or want a faith that allows them to behave with depravity, and yet earn forgiveness, is simply not true
This doesn't make senseRead my post again. I didn't say "all Christians". I said "many". As I stated, their behavior is evident in far-right christianity. Although you may not believe this is Christian behavior, they do......and this gives the Christian religion a black-eye and keeps many folks at arms distance from it. The "He gets us" message will bring folks closer to Christianity than the gospel of the far-right.
This doesn't make sense
"Far-right people", are generally motivated to uphold tradition, strict gender roles, and behavioral norms. They would not be the ones sleeping around, doing drugs, and robbing stores, and then praying for forgiveness (or if they are Catholic, going to confession).
what you describe is more common in progressive Christian denominations, where homosexuals want affirmation and forgiveness, but also want to go live their permissive, gay lifestyle
(I am not saying that far-right people do not sin--they certainly do, just like anyone else)
I am not sure how you think what I said was an "interpretive right leaning skid"
the faith is not social work with some lip-service to Jesus. You are going into the realm of works + faith = salvation
no Christian here says that we should not love our neighbors, act charitably, help the poor, etc. Those are the fruits of faith, and the impulse of Christians.
No Boundaries
There is a current secular theme that is seeping into Christianity that boundaries on land (borders) behavior (abortion) or private property (theft) is hateful and unChristian. There shouldn't be any boundaries. People should be "Free."
Secularists claim a person can do whatever that person does and then the Christian follow along chanting: "Jesus loves you." just the same.
It is an inane, insipid and incorrect vision of Christ.s
That "image of Christ" is not going to convert anyone. The message is "you are wonderful no matter what you do, Jesus loves you and all you have to do is be yourself." "Jesus is following you around waiting to wash your feet and take you to heaven because Jesus is love."
What is the message there? "Jesus as a wooing lover?" A beggar for belief?
I was repulsed by the commercial. If I were an atheist I would have laughed at it.
Don't assume I'm promoting progressiveness. You tend to believe that the "He gets us" is doing this, but I don't believe it is.This doesn't make sense
"Far-right people", are generally motivated to uphold tradition, strict gender roles, and behavioral norms. They would not be the ones sleeping around, doing drugs, and robbing stores, and then praying for forgiveness (or if they are Catholic, going to confession).
what you describe is more common in progressive Christian denominations, where homosexuals want affirmation and forgiveness, but also want to go live their permissive, gay lifestyle
I won't post it as I would probably get banned but you might listen to this song:Would a "Believe in Jesus or Go to Hell" commercial be more to your liking?
The organization aligns with anti-LGBTQA+ and anti-abortion causes that I don’t support, so I think they’re being deceptively inclusive for financial gain, so I’m not interested in them. Bait and switch religious practices for financial gain is not my jam.I assume many of you saw that "He Gets Us" Super Bowl commercial
or maybe some of you have experience with the organization
seem like it was very controversial--I am curious to hear your thoughts on it
The organization aligns with LGBTQA+ and anti-abortion causes that I don’t support, so I think they’re being deceptively inclusive for financial gain, so I’m not interested in them. Bait and switch religious practices for financial gain is not my jam.
There is danger in these slang expressions.Actually, it's clear from the Scriptures that the Gospel was, and has always been, meant to cut both ways .........
And I'll argue that into my grave if need be. Sure, Jesus is Lord; He is the Lord who came down to Serve in ways most of us only dream about, especially if and when there is an "American Dream" entering in and clouding up and obscuring the clarity of who He has always been.
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