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If I missed it, so did the Apostles...because they did not preach it or do it.No, I wasn't implying that we are to fix the world. But I am implying that Jesus intended for us to minister to the World at large, and that ministry wasn't to just provide us an opportunity to flap our jaws with The Gospel.
If I missed it, so did the Apostles...because they did not preach it or do it.
Jesus is GodActually, the Messiah, Jesus, provided the directive to begin the 'fixing' of social inequality through human means, i.e. through His Church. And the success of Jesus' intended "aid package" would depend upon the extent to which His people assimilated to His Person and Teaching.
Jesus is God
Jesus said, "the poor you will have with you always." "there will be wars and rumors of wars."
The Bible does not say, "Man can solve injustice (inequality) or end all wars.
In Exodus, there is a description of East of Eden. That is where we are.
Jesus, as God, could have created heaven on earth and reigned forever over New Eden.
He did not and to say that Christians have the power to do what God Himself did not do, for His own good pleasure, is an interesting point.
Jesus as God does feed the multitude and heal the sick but not Jesus as "man." It is not in man's power.
Is it claimed that Christ didn't do it but He gave instructions for Christians to do it? We have the power to have heaven on earth by man's works?
Yes, we should care for what comes under our hand. But our power and how much is in our hands is not much.
Matthew 26: 11 The poor you will have with you alwaysPlease stop. You're wrong, and you have a lot of study ahead of you. As it is, all you're doing here is providing rhetoric, not supported claims.
This is asserted without its context. What is the the actual reason Jesus said this ... ? (I'm implying you need to go read it in the fuller context, don't just quote it.Matthew 26: 11 The poor you will have with you always
Same as above.Matthew 24: 6 There will be wars and rumors of wars
I said nothing about creating any Utopia on earth. Why do you all jump, then, to conclusions when I simply say we all can do more than jabber our jaws? It's almost like folks are looking for loopholes as to why they shouldn't have to help others or understand them. Surely, the only real reason not to is because we ourselves don't have the means to do so, not because we think being a Christian only requires jabbering. Right?Genesis 3: 23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So He drove out the man; and He placed at the East of the garden of Eden
And exactly where in the Bible does it say that all man's works can create utopia on earth, solving poverty, injustice and war?
Ecclesiastes 1: 2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?
State your case..
I know the full context.This is asserted without its context. What is the the actual reason Jesus said this ... ? (I'm implying you need to go read it in the fuller context, don't just quote it.
I know the full context.
11 The poor you will always have with you; but you will not always have me.
The fact remains that Jesus did say and He was speaking as God, "the poor you will have with you always.."
It depends on the point of the ad. Jesus may get me, but I don't get the point of the ad. A pastor in Ireland produced a video entitled "He saves us!". It's gone viral. 2 million views in no time. I found out about it on CBNWell, CNN and AOC have both stated that their claim of being apolitical is false because they have supported anti-abortion and anti-LGBT organizations.
Charlie Kirk has stated they support liberal and left-wing ideology, referring to its backers as "woke tricksters".
I think both of those fail to understand what apolitical means. I think they fail to understand that engaging with others does not mean advocacy or acceptance. Christians looking to the whole bible for support on all issues will naturally run into political issues, and they may support one party more than the other, but they won't be partisan fan-boys. They will seek to understand and create relationship the people they are engaged with - that does not equal advocacy either.
My personal opinion is they are trying to reflect who they believe Jesus really was. The ad was not the misrepresentation conservatives are claiming this morning. Jesus did interact with the very people who were being rejected by their society. Study of John 4 reveals just how far out of bounds he was reaching when interacting with the woman at the well. They are imperfect I am sure in application as we all would be.
I was jokingly alluding to the "use your PhD". Even though I do prefer more of a direct and literal approach I'm sure someone like Merrill would probably appreciate it.For my part, I try to keep the academic jargon to a minimum. But, sometimes folks need to be challenged to move our of their conceptual boxes and see the larger, more expansive, even truer aspects of social reality.
I don't see anything wrong with this method; it seems like it's the other methods like from a political standpoint that people may seem to have a problem with.Actually, the Messiah, Jesus, provided the directive to begin the 'fixing' of social inequality through human means, i.e. through His Church. And the success of Jesus' intended "aid package" would depend upon the extent to which His people assimilated to His Person and Teaching.
What I see them preaching and doing is making sure people in the congregations are taken care of. That's got multiple witnesses.We don't actually know everything the Apostles preached or did in their individual lives, even much of what they may have done on a daily basis on behalf of any Greek pagans. So, while you're one of a dozen people here on CF whom I truly respect as a Christian thinker, I'm going to disagree with you that the Apostles "didn't" ever preach it or ever do it. I think sometimes they did, but Luke doesn't tell us every detail of every moment of life lived by all Christians in the time frame he accounts for in his book of Acts. However, I think we could still glean some things about 'ministry to the world' from the rest of the New Testament writings, especially if Jesus is our Supreme Model and our Lord and Director, as recounted and represented in the Gospels alone.
Additionally, since it's on my mind, I listed four books up in a previous post (#176). Should I burn those books since quite a few of the much more right leaning Evangelical Christians will tend to completely ignore those sorts of alternative-evangelical positions/writings? Should I also burn my copy of James H. Cone's, God of the Oppressed, and ignore all that he had to say simply because he was a Liberation Theologian and that he may have been wrong on a few counts, despite perhaps also having a few very salient points to make otherwise? I think not. Why? Because I think "Jesus Gets Us!" But, in an inverted way, we only partly 'get Him.'
Anyway, have a blessed day!
And forever until Judgement DayYes, and what He meant by that statement was "there is something you disciples need to do instead right now, but you'll have time to minister to the poor like you should in the very near future."
OK, fair enough. I bring up those topics simply to point out that the issue isn't about washing people feet. It isn't about doing something nice to someone because we THINK we are doing something that God would be pleased with. It isn't for believers doing nice things to other believers because we think we're doing God a favor.Y'now? You're pretty spry for a 72 year old, but even so, I think you missed the part where I never said I dismiss the OT. No, I just assess it in light of everything that is said about it in the...................New Testament.
As for the topic of Hades, Gehenna and Tartarus, we're not going to have that discussion here. Not only because I'm fairly certain every Tom, Rick and Sally Skeptic already knows that 'hell' isn't a good place to be, but because what is more relevant to the topic at hand is the fact that this forum thread is about the theology of the "He Gets US" commercials. Let's stick with that and leave the "shadows" to those moments when we decide to read the book of Hebrews from START to FINISH together ...
And forever until Judgement Day
BTW-To me, proper witnessing is also the most difficult but it is also the most direct command we are given. I'm not very good at it. Being obedient to God is a very daunting task that shows me how far I fall short and in need for constant repentence
Yes. God understands and uses us even though we are imperfect. It is all part of His sovereign plan to make us more like Christ.We all fall short, but we are growing in Christ.
Me personally when people open up the conversation, I tell them why and why I believe.
It may not be a perfect witness, but it's my story of coming to Christ. Most people really are interested, even if they come from other faith backgrounds.
But I just wait for an opening, there's lots of them if you look sometimes.
Exactly. If this was all by itself, I would have given it a likeNone of us are responsible for someone else's sin.
Which direction do you mean? To change their nature of being a homosexual or to seek the grace and forgiveness of Jesus Christ?The claim that rejecting homosexuals, or criticizing them, will cause them anguish, or even to commit suicide, is equivalent to saying we should not criticize alcoholics or drug addicts, and let them "live their lives". That we should not try to steer them in the right direction.
I totally get that, but what about keeping the Sabbath Holy or Thou Shalt not Covet which are actually listed in the 10 Commandments?Let me be very clear: the reason I reject things like homosexuality and transgenderism (especially in children) is not because I hate these people--it is the exact opposite. I do care about people, and I want them to live happy, fulfilled, lives. Not only in accordance with God's wishes, but also on a practical and human level.
How much of that is because of the constant condemnation and rejection?According to some studies, 15-20% of gay and lesbian people have had thoughts of suicide, and the rate of suicide is much higher among those groups than the general population,
"Why is homosexuality such a glaring sin that people seem to need to correct?"Exactly. If this was all by itself, I would have given it a like
Which direction do you mean? To change their nature of being a homosexual or to seek the grace and forgiveness of Jesus Christ?
Do you believe that latter is the direction that most Christians are steering? Let's be honest here.
I totally get that, but what about keeping the Sabbath Holy or Thou Shalt not Covet which are actually listed in the 10 Commandments?
Why is homosexuality such a glaring sin that people seem to need to correct? Do you think Christians reject people who covet have big houses and nice cars as much as they would a homosexual? It seems to me to be quite the opposite; They seem to rather want to be accepted by theses people rather than reject them.
How much of that is because of the constant condemnation and rejection?
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