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AMR · Sep 12, 2015

Christus Discipulus said:
And now we can add that it's okay to argue that the Bible does not prohibit homosexuality on this "Christian" forum.

There is NO WAY that I could EVER become a supporter of this site!!

Explain please.

nonaeroterraqueous · Sep 12, 2015

AMR said:
Explain please.

The forum staff have revised the guidelines a little. You can read it here. The rule against promoting homosexuality remains unchanged in the general forum, but now they allow pro-homosexual posts in denomination-specific forums where the denomination accepts the sodomy. I would argue that such denominations don't even belong on the site in the first place, but that's just my two cents.

RC1970 · Sep 12, 2015

nonaeroterraqueous · Sep 15, 2015

Better vote on that poll, then. Otherwise, it could get worse.

RC1970 · Sep 15, 2015

nonaeroterraqueous said:
Better vote on that poll, then. Otherwise, it could get worse.

I don't want to dignify any of this by voting on it. There seems to be a mood to capitulate to the most debased segment of the membership, which is hardly a Christian virtue. If I continue to post here, I believe my whole approach will need to change concerning what I originally thought this forum was all about.

nonaeroterraqueous · Sep 16, 2015

RC1970 said:
If I continue to post here, I believe my whole approach will need to change concerning what I originally thought this forum was all about.

I make no assumption about the condition of other people's souls. I do the same thing, here, that I do at church, work, or anywhere else. Always assume that, no matter what people claim about themselves, any given person could be a heathen in need of salvation. Any given group could be more godless than saved. Never let yourself get swept away by any crowd, whether Christian or secular. You must always be ready to think independently and fight for the truth of the gospel on any front, including the unexpected front of your own home turf, the church.

In other words, it's not what this forum is about, but what you are about. This forum could be an attempt to secularize us, for all I know, but 1 John 4:4 is my answer to that.

RC1970 · Sep 16, 2015

nonaeroterraqueous said:
I make no assumption about the condition of other people's souls. I do the same thing, here, that I do at church, work, or anywhere else. Always assume that, no matter what people claim about themselves, any given person could be a heathen in need of salvation. Any given group could be more godless than saved. Never let yourself get swept away by any crowd, whether Christian or secular. You must always be ready to think independently and fight for the truth of the gospel on any front, including the unexpected front of your own home turf, the church.

In other words, it's not what this forum is about, but what you are about. This forum could be an attempt to secularize us, for all I know, but 1 John 4:4 is my answer to that.

This is exactly what I am thinking is the case here. We are dealing with something insidious, a wolf in sheep's clothing, or a move toward apostasy or whatever. I realize that all of this is a part of the enemy's tactics, but it's a shame that it is being allowed to happen. So, basically, we should just assume that everyone here is either a marginal Christian, non-Christian or an apostate.

JM · Sep 16, 2015

I've never really viewed CF as a "Christian" forum. It's just a forum where we talk about Christ a lot with unbelievers.

AMR · Sep 16, 2015

nonaeroterraqueous said:
The forum staff have revised the guidelines a little. You can read it here. The rule against promoting homosexuality remains unchanged in the general forum, but now they allow pro-homosexual posts in denomination-specific forums where the denomination accepts the sodomy. I would argue that such denominations don't even belong on the site in the first place, but that's just my two cents.

Well if anything, the discussion in safe-haven congregational forums that favor this position is a means of showing the world their grievous error. God is not mocked and used many means towards His ends that we can only marvel at afterwards.

BryanW92 · Sep 18, 2015

AMR said:
Well if anything, the discussion in safe-haven congregational forums that favor this position is a means of showing the world their grievous error. God is not mocked and used many means towards His ends that we can only marvel at afterwards.

I agree. I left the UMC because I attended an Annual conference where all the clergy in the state (mostly liberals) and a handpicked group of laity (also mostly liberal, but not as much as the clergy) could speak openly about things that they would say in front of the rank-and-file Methodists who fill the pews and the plates every Sunday. They were very mechanical and ho-hum about spiritual things, but when the subject turned to homosexuality and abortion, they all became "evangelists".

Give them a safe haven to talk openly and you will learn what matters to them.

Albion · Sep 18, 2015

rnmomof7 said:
How poorly catechized Arminians are?

Reading some of the "general Theology "Threads makes me sad

You mean, I take it, that most Arminians base their belief on rationalizations like "God wouldn't to that 'cause he's loving" or "If God didn't make us to choose him on our own, we'd be robots?"

Hank77 · Sep 18, 2015

Deu 30:19 `I have caused to testify against you to-day the heavens and the earth; life and death I have set before thee, the blessing and the reviling; and thou hast fixed on life, so that thou dost live, thou and thy seed,

choose life: Jos_24:15-22; Psa_119:30, Psa_119:111, Psa_119:173; Pro_1:29, Pro_8:36; Isa_56:4; Luk_10:42

2Co 5:18 And the all things are of God, who reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and did give to us the ministration of the reconciliation,
2Co 5:19 how that God was in Christ--a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation,
2Co 5:20 in behalf of Christ, then, we are ambassadors, as if God were calling through us, we beseech, in behalf of Christ, `Be ye reconciled to God;'
2Co 5:21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.

You all made a choice whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

BryanW92 · Sep 18, 2015

Hank77 said:
You all made a choice whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

We acknowledge that our "choice" was an informed choice made possible by the gift of grace. It is a choice that cannot be made by Natural Man who has not been gifted by God.

nonaeroterraqueous · Sep 18, 2015

Hank77 said:
You all made a choice whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

Of course we made a choice. No one here ever said otherwise.

Hank77 · Sep 18, 2015

BryanW92 said:
We acknowledge that our "choice" was an informed choice made possible by the gift of grace. It is a choice that cannot be made by Natural Man who has not been gifted by God.

I believe that too but I think differently than you do. I believe no one comes to God without the prompting of the Holy Spirit given by God's grace.

nonaeroterraqueous said:
Of course we made a choice. No one here ever said otherwise.

If that call is irresistible where is the choice?

Honey Parallel · Sep 18, 2015

RC1970 said:
Has anyone else noted:

1) that Mormons are being allowed to promote their cult around the forum?

2) that Universalists are now considered to be Christians here on CF?

3) that nearly all non-Christian groups seemed to have free run of the site? (<<<Hard to miss that one)

4) that the advertisements on the site are sometimes rather risque?

Is there anything else that I should know about this "Christian" forum?

Great list. AdBlock helps to insure no ad's whatsoever. And if you aren't thrilled with an avatar you can copy its image URL and add it to the filter list so it's not even an issue here.

nonaeroterraqueous · Sep 18, 2015

Hank77 said:
If that call is irresistible where is the choice?

If your decisions were the result of your brain's wiring and your body's chemistry, then did you really make a choice? If rain is irresistibly drawn by gravity does it really fall? Those questions sound irrelevant to you, but they're not. The choice is the action and the call is the motive force. The two are not mutually exclusive. The running of an engine is the action, and the combustion of the fuel is the motive force. If we claim that the resultant action does not exist because it has a motive force, then we claim that an engine cannot run, and we claim that the reason is because it has fuel. That's backward, actually. The engine does run precisely because it does have fuel. The ability to choose exists precisely because the irresistible call is heard.

Consider the contrapositive: without God's calling in our life we are dead in our sin. Dead men don't change their minds. They don't choose to do anything. They cannot live. They lack any motive force at all. Without God's call in our life we are without choice, slaves to sin.

Hank77 · Sep 19, 2015

nonaeroterraqueous said:
Without God's call in our life we are without choice, slaves to sin.

I agree that one must be draw by God. Jesus said He would draw all men unto Himself.
However, God said He set before us life and death, choose life. Doesn't this show that one could have chosen death?

BryanW92 · Sep 19, 2015

Hank77 said:
I believe that too but I think differently than you do. I believe no one comes to God without the prompting of the Holy Spirit given by God's grace.

If that call is irresistible where is the choice?

Its like the choice to breathe. You can hold your breath. If you try really hard, you can hold it until you pass out.

I was an atheist for 30 years. I did not seek God. I had no interest in God or Jesus or religion. I laughed at Christians and picked on them. I had a very happy life, with health, wealth, a plenty of free time. I don't drink, smoke, take drugs, and I have a clean criminal record. I've been married to my high school sweetheart for over 30 years (25 years at the time of my conversion).

I did not "need" God in any way. My choice was "no".

So, what happened?

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