Grrrrrr!!!!

constance said:

"What must I do to be saved"

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Be elected.

Go and be blessed!

Soli Deo Gloria

Jon

constance said:

Hehe. My husband has a Master's in Theology and is almost done with his PhD in Church History. He's also a minister.

I get to read all his books, talk to all of his professors, and I got to help him study for his comp exams - so I'm sure I've got at least a BA in Church History!

I have been trying to understand Calvin since I was 16. I don't think another few months is going to help.

Now the Armenians...I think they get it...and the Anabaptists...

I think Cotton Mather (Puritan) put it well in his sermon "What must I do to be saved" - problem is, there are no more Puritans...

Constance

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have you looked into Quakerism Constance? The Religious Society of Friends? Just curious. Some of the Quakers can be alot like the Puritans...although you have to be careful about which Quakers...some are very very liberal.
Barklay's Apology has an awesome section in it about what I "think" you are having issues with in Calvinism. I know Quakers won't take sides when it come to the whole Arminian/Calvinism debate, falling somewhere between the two.
I only mention this because I grew up Quaker.....

Just curious....

Imblessed said:

have you looked into Quakerism Constance? The Religious Society of Friends? Just curious. Some of the Quakers can be alot like the Puritans...although you have to be careful about which Quakers...some are very very liberal.
Barklay's Apology has an awesome section in it about what I "think" you are having issues with in Calvinism.

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My husband converted from Catholicism, so we actually went searching for a lot of churches. (We're at U of Chicago, so MOST of the churches are liberal)

We went to one Quaker meeting, all they did was sit there for 50 minutes and then one person was led to say, "The Lord says we should love everyone".

My husband was perfectly happy with that, but I need a little more...substance. It would be interesting to try a less "liberal" Quaker meeting.

I'll take a look at Barclay's Apology...thanks...

Constance

constance said:

My husband converted from Catholicism, so we actually went searching for a lot of churches. (We're at U of Chicago, so MOST of the churches are liberal)

We went to one Quaker meeting, all they did was sit there for 50 minutes and then one person was led to say, "The Lord says we should love everyone".

My husband was perfectly happy with that, but I need a little more...substance. It would be interesting to try a less "liberal" Quaker meeting.

I'll take a look at Barclay's Apology...thanks...

Constance

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You attended a very traditional Quaker church then! those can be quite........odd. No pastor, no music, not much speaking.....definately not for everyone! I couldn't handle those either!

There are Evangelical Quakers....who are much more "normal" in their worship. Actually, they are sort of Methodist, if one must compare, even some doing communion and baptism...which is something early Quakers would not do.

Just as any denomination, you have a wide variety of Quaker churches to choose from, if you are inclined to look.

Barklay's Apology is not an expecially easy read, but I think it's well worth it. He does a fabulous job of explaining Quaker theology, which is sometimes not very understood, especially their views on the "inner light", and why that silence you observed in that one meeting is part of all the Quaker services(although in more regular services it's only about 10 minutes).

Anyway, good luck with your searching!

Funny, I thought the puritans were almost strickly Calvinsist

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Funny, I thought the puritans were almost strickly Calvinsist

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Well, to understand, in a nutshell(albeit a big one), my theology of salvation, read the Puritan minister Cotton Mather's "What Must I do to be Saved". http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/mather/whatmust.htm

I tried to quote it, to summarize it, but I am afraid to, and thus change its meaning.

This doesn't seem, to me to be the typical 5-point double-predestination Calvinist approach - does it to you?

I think his writing is AWESOME, it is a shame that he is most notably linked with the Salem Witch Trials.

OOps. Did I hijack the thread?

Constance