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Good & Evil - Circular Semantics

juvenissun

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Quite the opposite, actually.

Saying that evil is anything that goes against God doesn't really define evil at all. How do you get to determine what exactly evil is by such measure? It's infinitely vague.

It makes the task much more simple. We only need to know God. Then we know evil.
Otherwise, you need to know TWO. And neither of them is easy to know.
 
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It makes the task much more simple. We only need to know God. Then we know evil.
Otherwise, you need to know TWO. And neither of them is easy to know.

The whole point is that "Knowing God" is not a concrete action like "Opening the door" or "Reading a book". First of all, God is not "known". God is believed.

Secondly, good and evil concepts are predicated on the issue of "situational proper". For example, cutting someone open may be good or evil depending on a situation. Thus, context plays a role. "Knowing God" doesn't really help to clear out these situations. Only understanding the consequences can.
 
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Knowing God and believe in God is mutually enhancive. They can not be separated.
Using a situation to determine the nature of good/evil is the worst thing one can do. It would render the decisions into a totally inconsistent chaos.
 
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Knowing God and believe in God is mutually enhancive. They can not be separated.
Using a situation to determine the nature of good/evil is the worst thing one can do. It would render the decisions into a totally inconsistent chaos.
But interpretations as to the nature of YHWH vary significantly from person to person, so how would this be any less chaotic a measure, being that it is equally inconsistent?
 
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But interpretations as to the nature of YHWH vary significantly from person to person, so how would this be any less chaotic a measure, being that it is equally inconsistent?

No variation. Everything is recorded in the Scripture in black ink on white paper.
If you are not sure on any nature of YHWH, I can point out those words to you.
 
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No variation. Everything is recorded in the Scripture in black ink on white paper.
If you are not sure on any nature of YHWH, I can point out those words to you.
-_- yes, I get that the words stay the same, but the point is that people interpret them differently. You will interpret scripture differently than the person you sit next to in church. It's a consequence of us having individual thoughts and variable personalities and other traits.
 
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it is not possible that good and evil be explained straight (out) with strict adherence to the terms that you laid down here(in the op), the truth begins with the fact that none of the souls, including the human and the other (be)souled beings, would prefer to undergo anything that is unpleasant, insufferable or unbearable for them, and that it is not right that any harm be caused to our neighbor/cohabitant even if he or she does not perceive/deem it as harmful, of course there is a difference between a true cause and a false cause of the evil, as well as between right oriented and wrong oriented as to the real cause of the evil, for example someone may be misled by the "darkness" that ostensibly the women are the cause of his suffering, when the real cause of his suffering turns out actually to be some snare of "darkness" that works in his life through the system of spiritual iniquity and human(666) religion...

Blessings
 
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That is fine (and is good). As long as everyone read the same Scripture, the interpretation is up to the person.
That is the way it should be.
 
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Good or evil can not be defined without having God.
You tell me one thing which is either good or evil without referencing to God, then I can reverse your classification.

To put it simplisticly...

Good is whatever action that leads to an increase of maximised well-being for all sentient creatures.

Evil is whatever action that leads to an increase of maximised suffering for all sentient creatures.
 
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We only need to know God. Then we know evil.

"only" need to know god?

How simple, right????

How many denomination of christianity alone are there again?

Otherwise, you need to know TWO. And neither of them is easy to know.

They are actually rather easy to know once you understand that well-being is good and suffering is bad.
 
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And, ironically, when "interpreting" the "moral values and duties" in that book, one would necessarily have to employ reasoning tools not present in the book.

So we would be back to square one.
 
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I guess you can easily give examples that go against what you said.
(if you can not, please let me know and I would be happy to show you.)
 
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I guess you can easily give examples that go against what you said.
(if you can not, please let me know and I would be happy to show you.)

No, I'm pretty confident that well-being is associated with "good" and suffering is associated with "bad".

You disagree with that?
 
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No, I'm pretty confident that well-being is associated with "good" and suffering is associated with "bad".

You disagree with that?

Of course I do. The reason is obvious and is everywhere.
 
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Do you also care to explain, or will you leave it at this one-liner rejection?

The examples are EVERYWHERE.
Take a quick one: win a lottery is not necessary good.
Take another one: married to a rich girl is not necessary good.
Want more?
 
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The examples are EVERYWHERE.
Take a quick one: win a lottery is not necessary good.
Take another one: married to a rich girl is not necessary good.
Want more?

More?

You didn't give a single one.
Your "examples" are not actions/decisions with moral/ethical implications.
Like eating cornflakes instead of a sandwich or taking a dump.

Quite silly.
 
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juvenissun

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You didn't give a single one.
Your "examples" are not actions/decisions with moral/ethical implications.
Like eating cornflakes instead of a sandwich or taking a dump.

Quite silly.

You want examples and I gave examples.
And you called me silly.
You can figure out the rest.
 
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DogmaHunter

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You want examples and I gave examples.
And you called me silly.
You can figure out the rest.

I asked for examples, yes. Since this is thread is about morals, I figured it was rather obvious that I meant examples of things with ethical and / or moral implications.

I guess I should have known better, considering who I was talking to.
 
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