Good College for Christian...and Science

JVD · Jun 13, 2004

My daughter is interested in Science and is looking for a good college. She is going into her senior year and would like to get into a good college that offers some good science majors. Especially things like physics, or perhaps environmental sciences.

She would also like to find one that is not entirely closed to design theory, is there such a place? She wants good science, not philosophy dressed up like science.

I'm sure some of you have some good ideas.

Also, any ideas for scholarships. We don't have the financial ability to totally fund her education. She has a good academic background and would be a good addition to a college's student body.

Chi_Cygni · Jun 13, 2004

No there is not such a place.

rmwilliamsll · Jun 13, 2004

as an outsider, one who has never been there, i am impressed at the quality of the talent i see at Calvin College. both in the philosophy dept and in the physics dept.
perhaps someone who went there can be more helpful. but i would, if in your position, look at Calvin College.

btw, all my kids when to the local state university because of money.
i tried to encourage them saying that grad school made the difference. *grin*

Card42 · Jun 13, 2004

two colleges i would recommend:
Calvin and Wheaton.
there is a good mix of opinions
at all three in the science departments
from what i understand.

billwald · Jun 14, 2004

"Not entierly closed to design." Is this like not entirely closed to astrology?

For a pragmatic education, take a look at Clarkson University, Pottsdam, NY.

JVD · Jun 14, 2004

Thanks for the input...I just have a kid that is past me intellectually. She reads stuff on Einstein, physics etc for fun. She is 17 and has finished her second semester of College Calculus and Pysics. Had to get permission to let her in.

I'm just not sure what to do with her. She isn't MIT material...but close.

I think I like the idea of a state university...(but we are in Alaska), and then she can focus on the stuff she is crazy about in grad school. It's cheaper.

artybloke · Jun 14, 2004

She wants good science, not philosophy dressed up like science.

So don't send her to one that teaches the phiolosophical mumbo-jumbo of creationism then. Send her to a good college that teaches good science, and doesn't mix it up with the rubbish of Fundamentalism.

JVD · Jun 14, 2004

So don't send her to one that teaches the phiolosophical mumbo-jumbo of creationism then. Send her to a good college that teaches good science, and doesn't mix it up with the rubbish of Fundamentalism.

Is this a closed minded statement? Like I said, I'm no scientist myself. I do read quite a bit about science, mostly the stuff my daughter picks up. I suppose creationism is likely defined as "young earth" beliefs. But does good science have to completely leave out the possibility of a God?

Karl - Liberal Backslider · Jun 14, 2004

No. It just doesn't invoke Him as a mechanism for phenomena that are not yet well understood. Even less for phenomena that are perfectly well understood.

platzapS · Jul 4, 2004

I suppose creationism is likely defined as "young earth" beliefs

I think that's what the he means

But does good science have to completely leave out the possibility of a God?

Definitely NOT. Science always leaves the possibility of God, it just never uses "God did it" as a scientific explanation. There might be some teachers, though, who somehow try to associate atheism with science. Those teachers should be in philosophy, not science.

May God bless you in finding the right school.

artybloke · Jul 5, 2004

There might be some teachers, though, who somehow try to associate atheism with science. Those teachers should be in philosophy, not science.

Teachers who spread lies shouldn't be teaching at all.

L'Anatra · Jul 6, 2004

JVD said:
Is this a closed minded statement? Like I said, I'm no scientist myself. I do read quite a bit about science, mostly the stuff my daughter picks up. I suppose creationism is likely defined as "young earth" beliefs. But does good science have to completely leave out the possibility of a God?

Not at all. Science, as everyone has mentioned, absolutely does not leave out the possibility of a God. Science has nothing to do with theology.

I, myself, am essentially in the process of looking for a college that I can afford, and at this point I'm overwhelmed... so I may not be the best person to ask. But I'd follow the advice of the others who have posted in your thread. Best wishes to your daughter, JVD, and God bless!

L'Anatra · Jul 6, 2004

artybloke said:
Teachers who spread lies shouldn't be teaching at all.

Exactly.

mhess13 · Jul 6, 2004

Bob Jones University has a great earth science department!

tryptophan · Jul 6, 2004

Science never leaves out the possibility of God. It basically has no opinion of it, though it still leaves the possibility. As for design theory, it's essentially philosophical and not scientific, so it would not be in a science department (at least not most).

Chi_Cygni · Jul 6, 2004

mhess13 said:
Bob Jones University has a great earth science department!

Nice joke. Bob Jones University has no academic reputation whatsoever unless you count the reputation of being a ultra right-wing, degree mill.

artybloke · Jul 6, 2004

And anti-Catholic to boot, from what I hear.

mhess13 · Jul 6, 2004

artybloke said:
And anti-Catholic to boot, from what I hear.

They aren't anit catholic. They just don't believe (as most fundies)that the Catholic church is just another denomination.

Chi_Cygni · Jul 6, 2004

They're a crank organisation more famous for their former policy of being against dating between students and mixed race dating period.

In other words racist, bigoted, right wing fundie nutcases.

And the education isn't up to snuff either. Unless you are looking to be a fundie pastor their students will have big trouble in the job market - the school has a rep of being a joke.

EdmundBlackadderTheThird · Jul 6, 2004

mhess13 said:
They aren't anit catholic. They just don't believe (as most fundies)that the Catholic church is just another denomination.

Most fundies I know do think the Catholic Church is a denomination, and I myself am a fundie for certain. I know some people that call themselves fundies like to judge Catholics, but since only God can know the heart I am loathe to say anyone is not a Christian, especially such a large group. And saying the Catholics are not Christians, is, well, anti-Catholic.

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