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True, but while its rather unfounded, its an interesting speculation to be sure.
And I submit that Dan Brown, that hack, could never come up with such a fascinating idea.
exactly about the "speculation"...yes, if not believed, it's worth "speculating" on...yes! We must continue "speculating" hopefully till the day we die...we MUST. It's what makes us the curious creatures we are. Our curiousity is a unique, WONDERFUL gift.
I appreciate you saying that.
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." It arises in fearful and lazy persons who cannot be bothered with the truth.
Besides the fact that humans have reported having a relationship with God since the dawn of recording civilization and will continue to do so till the end of human civilization?What verifiable conclusions can be derived from this "given"?
Again, however, this does not mean that all unsupported arguments are equally as credible as supported ones....
You say this... using the internet? Tell me, was it man's flawed reason that allowed the internet to be built, or your religious faith? Because, from where I'm sitting, they seem to be apples and oranges. You can have one, the other, both, or neither.My friend, "faith" and man's finite and flawed "reason" are the antithesis of each other.
Actually it's not. The original Omega Point theory was dependent on the Big Crunch. And it's been modified to include space craft as you demonstrate in the following:
(emphasis mine)
Which is exactly what I said. Basically, the Omega Point (assuming the theory is correct to begin with) is dependent on us inventing space craft with a specific type of propulsion. And at which point, we're off in speculative la-la land.
Seriously, how can you not see how utterly ridiculous all this is? It's science fiction at best. Or Dan Brown fiction at worst.
Show us how the Second Law of Thermodynamics laws is being violated unless this Omega Point exists.According to the known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, general relativity, quantum mechanics, and the Standard Model of particle physics), the Omega Point is logically required to exist in order to avoid their violation (such as unitarity being violated, or entropy decreasing).
According to George Ellis's review of Tipler's book in the journal Nature, Tipler's book on the Omega Point is "a masterpiece of pseudoscience ... the product of a fertile and creative imagination unhampered by the normal constraints of scientific and philosophical discipline"
LMAOAccording to the known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, general relativity, quantum mechanics, and the Standard Model of particle physics), the Omega Point is logically required to exist in order to avoid their violation (such as unitarity being violated, or entropy decreasing). So if the known laws of physics are true descriptions of the world (and there exists no rational reason to think that they aren't, as they have been confirmed by every experiment to date), then the Omega Point exists apodictically. That is to say, if the known laws of physics are true, then existence could not exist in the first place without the Omega Point existing.
So if the known laws of physics are true, then the true probability of the universe's collapse is exactly 1, i.e., certain to happen.
And you have it precisely in reverse: one has to engage in fanciful and anti-rational speculation to avoid the Omega Point cosmology.
The only way to avoid the conclusion that the Omega Point exists is to reject the known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, general relativity, quantum mechanics, and the Standard Model of particle physics), and hence to reject empirical science: as these physical laws have been confirmed by every experiment to date. That is, there exists no rational reason for thinking that the Omega Point Theory is incorrect, and indeed, one must engage in extreme irrationality in order to argue against the Omega Point cosmology.
Additionally, we now have the quantum gravity Theory of Everything (TOE) correctly describing and unifying all the forces in physics: of which inherently produces the Omega Point cosmology. So here we have an additional high degree of assurance that the Omega Point cosmology is correct.
Bear in mind that Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theory has been published in a number of the world's leading peer-reviewed physics journals.[1]
Out of 50 articles, Prof. Tipler's 2005 Reports in Progress in Physics paper--which presents the Omega Point quantum gravity Theory of Everything--was selected as one of 12 for the "Highlights of 2005" accolade as "the very best articles published in Reports on Progress in Physics in 2005 [Vol. 68]. Articles were selected by the Editorial Board for their outstanding reviews of the field. They all received the highest praise from our international referees and a high number of downloads from the journal Website." (See Richard Palmer, Publisher, "Highlights of 2005," Reports on Progress in Physics website.)
Reports on Progress in Physics is the leading journal of the Institute of Physics, Britain's main professional body for physicists. Further, Reports on Progress in Physics has a higher impact factor (according to Journal Citation Reports) than Physical Review Letters, which is the most prestigious American physics journal (one, incidently, which Prof. Tipler has been published in more than once). A journal's impact factor reflects the importance the science community places in that journal in the sense of actually citing its papers in their own papers. (And just to point out, Tipler's 2005 Reports on Progress in Physics paper could not have been published in Physical Review Letters since said paper is nearly book-length, and hence not a "letter" as defined by the latter journal.)
For much more on these matters, in additon to my original three posts in this thread, see Prof. Tipler's below 2005 Reports on Progress in Physics paper and the following resource:
F. J. Tipler, "The structure of the world from pure numbers," Reports on Progress in Physics, Vol. 68, No. 4 (April 2005), pp. 897-964; available on Prof. Tipler's website. Also released as "Feynman-Weinberg Quantum Gravity and the Extended Standard Model as a Theory of Everything," arXiv:0704.3276, April 24, 2007.
Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist (at theophysics.chimehost.net ).
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1. While there is a lot that gets published in physics journals that is anti-reality and non-physical (such as string theory, which violates the known laws of physics and has no experimental support whatsoever), the reason such things are allowed to pass the peer-review process is because the paradigm of assumptions which such papers are speaking to has been made known, and within their operating paradigm none of the referees could find anything wrong with said papers. That is, the paradigm itself may have nothing to do with reality, but the peer-reviewers could find nothing wrong with such papers within the operating assumptions of that paradigm. Whereas, e.g., the operating paradigm of Prof. Tipler's 2005 Reports on Progress in Physics paper is the known laws of physics, i.e., our actual physical reality which has been repeatedly confirmed by every experiment conducted to date. So the professional physicists charged with refereeing this paper could find nothing wrong with it within its operating paradigm, i.e., the known laws of physics.
Show us how the Second Law of Thermodynamics laws is being violated unless this Omega Point exists.
By the way, I like this little snipplet:
LMAO
I just realized that you've been copy/pasting a comment in the discussion section of the Omega Point (Tipler) article in Wikipedia. Do you actually know what you're saying or are you just parroting and plagiarizing?
Here's the link where he's been copying his argument from:
Talk:Omega Point (Tipler) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, if you know what the comment is saying, can you please explain to us how the Second Law of Thermodynamics necessitates the Omega Point?
So, are you also Jamie Michelle from getgirlie.com forums?Since when has a person writing their own words been "plagiarizing"? You definitely have a bizarre conception of plagiarism.
So, are you also Jamie Michelle from getgirlie.com forums?
Sissy School :: View topic - Admit it ladyboys, are you femme and gay?
Or is she copying you?
Seems like you like to spread this nonsense a lot. Even got you or someone with your username banned from Crosswalk Forums:
God Proven to Exist According to Mainline Physics
So, are you also Jamie Michelle from getgirlie.com forums?
Sissy School :: View topic - Admit it ladyboys, are you femme and gay?
Or is she copying you?
Seems like you like to spread this nonsense a lot. Even got you or someone with your username banned from Crosswalk Forums:
God Proven to Exist According to Mainline Physics
Can someone explain to me how the universe has "computational power"? My main problems with this are:
1. What is the medium for storing information?
2. Wouldn't the organisation of said medium require something external to the universe (much like how a hard drive has to be prepared by an external organiser)?
3. Wouldn't the increase of information storage by the entire universe violate the second law of thermodynamics?
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