God and Death

Birthew said:

We can all objectively agree that we die. The body stops working and our hearts stop beating. Everyone from all faiths atheist, theist can agree on this without agreement. My thought/question is, why is it that God can be argued about.

A faiths position on God is that it is essential to believe in him due to what will happen after death. Yet the issue of the details of faith, prophets and holy books is obviously disagreed on throughout the world.

So the question is, why is it that death is objective, with agreements on all side. Yet God can be argued about. Why is God not as objective as death is, as it would seem, if God was real, it would be more important for his existence to be objective/argument proof.

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You are best to ask this of the one you wish to worship. All you will get from humans is opinion.

I don't understand what you are asking here.
Everyone accepts that death(of the body at least) exists because, quite frankly, we can perceive it through our senses; We see people die. We know it empirically.
God is an infinate, spiritual, non material being and thus is far beyond our comprehension, since we cannot perceive Him through our senses.

Birthew said:

...it would seem, if God was real, it would be more important for his existence to be objective/argument proof.

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Not really. A lot of people are apatheists; They don't care whether God exists or not.
It might suit you to know it for sure, but not everyone;

Atheists see Him as an ultimate dictator and thus reject Him.
If they accepted that He really existed, they could no longer be happy.
They would feel they were doomed to be ruled by this dictator for the rest of their lives (and beyond)

Believers on the other hand, would take Him for granted, and there would not be any relatonship between them.

If we knew, we would be doomed to either be scared of Him and be his inwilling slaves, or be indifferent towards Him and forget Him though we accept His existance.

PS; It's funny though; It was the concept of death and life that led me to believe there was a Designer behind our World

The very fact that death is so abundantly obvious to us the reason why we have such a hard time perceiving God. Death is the product of being torn away from Him, who is Himself the source of Life. We are entrenched in death, and that is why God came to destroy it.

Hi,

The fact is God does make himself known, some times it just takes a little bit of time for him to reveal himself. He is not the kind of God to just hide away and force us to live on our own. I have had many real experiences with God, to read about them see my personal website at Know God Personally

I think this is a discussion which really relates to the difference between the physical world and the spiritual world

Birthew said:

We can all objectively agree that we die. The body stops working and our hearts stop beating. Everyone from all faiths atheist, theist can agree on this without agreement. My thought/question is, why is it that God can be argued about.

A faiths position on God is that it is essential to believe in him due to what will happen after death. Yet the issue of the details of faith, prophets and holy books is obviously disagreed on throughout the world.

So the question is, why is it that death is objective, with agreements on all side. Yet God can be argued about. Why is God not as objective as death is, as it would seem, if God was real, it would be more important for his existence to be objective/argument proof.

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Unless God is testing all of us to see if we can genuinely love and respect people who view God and what happens after death and politics differently than we do??????


George Ritchie - near-death experiences

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esus gives him a tour of four different dimensions in the afterlife. They both fly toward a large city on Earth where they notice a group of assembly-line workers at work. He witnesses the spirit of a woman trying desperately to obtain a cigarette from the workers who are oblivious to her presence. This woman died severely addicted to cigarettes.

In a house, Jesus shows him the spirit of a boy following a living teenage girl and begging for forgiveness while the girl is completely unaware of the boy's presence. Jesus tells George that the boy committed suicide and is "chained to every consequence of his act."

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Jesus shows him a dimension where angry spirits are locked in hand-to-hand combat, trying in vain to hurt each other. He hears verbal abuse going on. He observes some trying in vain to get sexual gratification from each other. He also sees spirits arguing over some religious or political point and trying to kill the ones who did not agree with them. Here, he realizes he is seeing hell. These are spirits who are locked into some earthly desire that went beyond the physical and which cannot be satisfied in the spirit.

He is then taken to a different dimension appearing like an enormous university. Here he observes people dressed as monks engaged in some form of artistic behavior or research. He is taken into an enormous library where all the important books of the universe are assembled. He asks Jesus if this is heaven. He replies that these are the people who grew beyond selfish desires while on Earth. George realizes these people cannot see Jesus, just as the others could not see him in hell.

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