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First, this shows how women are often scared to death of snakes)(you is the serpent). Second, the serpant was Satan and because you see referred to here the woman's seed (not the man's seed, like normal), and I truly think that this is the earliest prophesy of Christ, and his being born by the Holy Spirit of a Virgin, which was fulfilled in Mary in Luke 1. Third, this shows that while Satan is still prince of this world, Christ will utterly destroy Satan in the last days, again a promise of Christ's Millenial Kingdom.
 
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I think that what you say is right. This is God prophecy to Satan about Christ.

Now tell me, is the woman God is speaking of... Mary or Eve?

And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,

I take this to mean that God will keep Satan away from "the" woman and her seed.

A protestant has related that this woman is Eve. But if that were true then God did not do as he said. We all know that Eve produced the first murderer.

I can not see how the woman can be anyone other than Eve.

Do you agree?
 
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Doesn't enmity mean hostility? I don't have a thesaurus or dictionary on hand but that would be my interpretation. That would make sense to me...

It also depends on how you interpret who God is addressing...Satan or the snake itself. Nearly everyone hates snakes, although there are exceptions...Taken in context, you have to assume God is talking to the snake. The previous verse refers to the snake crawling on its belly and being the lowest of animals.

Hope this helps...
 
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the definition of enmity...
positive, active, and typically mutual hatred or ill will

So if the woman be Mary... and the snake be Satan... then God has kept them apart.

The meaning of this verse seems to be saying to me that God did keep sin from Mary.

I know this is a Catholic teaching.

But if it is correct ... then it is correct.

It does not matter if you are Catholic or Protestant.
 
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I don't see how it can be interpreted as being Satan and Mary. I see it as being more akin to the "dogwood tree".

I'd like to see the original translation from Hebrew. Whether "the woman" was singular or plural and how it refers to "offspring". Interesting, nonetheless....
 
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Deep-seated, often mutual hatred.

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[Middle English enemite, from Old French enemistie, from Vulgar Latin *inimcits, from Latin inimcus, enemy. See enemy.]

Synonyms: enmity, hostility, antagonism, animosity, rancor, antipathy, animus
These nouns refer to the feeling or expression of deep-seated ill will. Enmity is hatred such as might be felt for an enemy: the wartime enmity of the two nations. Hostility implies the clear expression of enmity: “If we could read the secret history of our enemies, we should find... enough to disarm all hostility” (Henry Wadsworth Longfellow). Antagonism is hostility that quickly results in active resistance, opposition, or contentiousness: “the early struggles of famous authors, the notorious antagonism of publishers and editors to any new writer of exceptional promise” (Edith Wharton). Animosity often triggers bitter resentment or punitive action: overcame her animosity toward her parents. Rancor suggests vengeful hatred and resentment: filled with rancor after losing his job. Antipathy is deep-seated aversion or repugnance: an antipathy to social pretension. Animus is distinctively personal, often based on one's prejudices or temperament: an inexplicable animus against intellectuals.
 
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Interesting, I forgot to paste this as well:

enmity

deep-rooted hatred. "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, between thy
seed and her seed" (Gen. 3:15). The friendship of the world is "enmity with
God" (James 4:4; 1 John 2:15, 16). The "carnal mind" is "enmity against God"
(Rom. 8:7). By the abrogation of the Mosaic institutes the "enmity" between Jew
and Gentile is removed. They are reconciled, are "made one" (Eph. 2:15, 16).
 
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That was definitely a tough verse. Here is Matthew Henry. Kudos to those who are deep into its meanings. Talk about chewing on spiritual meat instead of milk!

The prisoners being found guilty by their own confession, besides the personal and infallible knowledge of the Judge, and nothing material being offered in arrest of judgment, God immediately proceeds to pass sentence; and, in these verses, he begins (where the sin began) with the serpent. God did not examine the serpent, nor ask him what he had done nor why he did it; but immediately sentenced him, 1. Because he was already convicted of rebellion against God, and his malice and wickedness were notorious, not found by secret search, but openly avowed and declared as Sodom’s. 2. Because he was to be for ever excluded from all hope of pardon; and why should any thing be said to convince and humble him who was to find no place for repentance? His wound was not searched, because it was not to be cured. Some think the condition of the fallen angels was not declared desperate and helpless, until now that they had seduced man into the rebellion.

I. The sentence passed upon the tempter may be considered as lighting upon the serpent, the brute-creature which Satan made use of which was, as the rest, made for the service of man, but was now abused to his hurt. Therefore, to testify a displeasure against sin, and a jealousy for the injured honour of Adam and Eve, God fastens a curse and reproach upon the serpent, and makes it to groan, being burdened. See Rom. 8:20. The devil’s instruments must share in the devil’s punishments. Thus the bodies of the wicked, though only instruments of unrighteousness, shall partake of everlasting torments with the soul, the principal agent. Even the ox that killed a man must be stoned, Ex. 21:28, 29. See here how God hates sin, and especially how much displeased he is with those who entice others into sin. It is a perpetual brand upon Jeroboam’s name that he made Israel to sin. Now, 1. The serpent is here laid under the curse of God: Thou art cursed above all cattle. Even the creeping things, when God made them, were blessed of him (ch. 1:22), but sin turned the blessing into a curse. The serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field (v. 1), and here, cursed above every beast of the field. Unsanctified subtlety often proves a great curse to a man; and the more crafty men are to do evil the more mischief they do, and, consequently, they shall receive the greater damnation. Subtle tempters are the most accursed creatures under the sun. 2. He is here laid under man’s reproach and enmity. (1.) He is to be for ever looked upon as a vile and despicable creature, and a proper object of scorn and contempt: "Upon thy belly thou shalt go, no longer upon feet, or half erect, but thou shalt crawl along, thy belly cleaving to the earth,’’ an expression of a very abject miserable condition, Ps. 44:25; "and thou shalt not avoid eating dust with thy meat.’’ His crime was that he tempted Eve to eat that which she should not; his punishment was that he was necessitated to eat that which he would not: Dust thou shalt eat. This denotes not only a base and despicable condition, but a mean and pitiful spirit; it is said of those whose courage has departed from them that they lick the dust like a serpent, Mic. 7:17. How sad it is that the serpent’s curse should be the covetous worldling’s choice, whose character it is that he pants after the dust of the earth! Amos 2:7. These choose their own delusions, and so shall their doom be. (2.) He is to be for ever looked upon as a venomous noxious creature, and a proper object of hatred and detestation: I will put enmity between thee and the woman. The inferior creatures being made for man, it was a curse upon any of them to be turned against man and man against them; and this is part of the serpent’s curse. The serpent is hurtful to man, and often bruises his heel, because it can reach no higher; nay, notice is taken of his biting the horses’ heels, ch. 49:17. But man is victorious over the serpent, and bruises his head, that is, gives him a mortal wound, aiming to destroy the whole generation of vipers. It is the effect of this curse upon the serpent that, though that creature is subtle and very dangerous, yet it prevails not (as it would if God gave it commission) to the destruction of mankind. This sentence pronounced upon the serpent is much fortified by that promise of God to his people, Thou shalt tread upon the lion and the adder (Ps. 91:13), and that of Christ to his disciples, They shall take up serpents (Mk. 16:18), witness Paul, who was unhurt by the viper that fastened upon his hand. Observe here, The serpent and the woman had just now been very familiar and friendly in discourse about the forbidden fruit, and a wonderful agreement there was between them; but here they are irreconcilably set at variance. Note, Sinful friendships justly end in mortal feuds: those that unite in wickedness will not unite long.

II. This sentence may be considered as levelled at the devil, who only made use of the serpent as his vehicle in this appearance, but was himself the principal agent. He that spoke through the serpent’s mouth is here struck at through the serpent’s side, and is principally intended in the sentence, which, like the pillar of cloud and fire, has a dark side towards the devil and a bright side towards our first parents and their seed. Great things are contained in these words.

1. A perpetual reproach is here fastened upon that great enemy both to God and man. Under the cover of the serpent, he is here sentenced to be, (1.) Degraded and accursed of God. It is supposed that the sin which turned angels into devils was pride, which is here justly punished by a great variety of mortifications couched under the mean circumstances of a serpent crawling on his belly and licking the dust. How art thou fallen, O Lucifer! He that would be above God, and would head a rebellion against him, is justly exposed here to contempt and lies to be trodden on; a man’s pride will bring him low, and God will humble those that will not humble themselves. (2.) Detested and abhorred of all mankind. Even those that are really seduced into his interest yet profess a hatred and abhorrence of him; and all that are born of God make it their constant care to keep themselves, that this wicked one touch them not, 1 Jn. 5:18. He is here condemned to a state of war and irreconcilable enmity. (3.) Destroyed and ruined at last by the great Redeemer, signified by the breaking of his head. His subtle politics shall all be baffled, his usurped power shall be entirely crushed, and he shall be for ever a captive to the injured honour of divine sovereignty. By being told of this now he was tormented before the time.

2. A perpetual quarrel is here commenced between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of the devil among men; war is proclaimed between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. That war in heaven between Michael and the dragon began now, Rev. 12:7. It is the fruit of this enmity, (1.) That there is a continual conflict between grace and corruption in the hearts of God’s people. Satan, by their corruptions, assaults them, buffets them, sifts them, and seeks to devour them; they, by the exercise of their graces, resist him, wrestle with him, quench his fiery darts, force him to flee from them. Heaven and hell can never be reconciled, nor light and darkness; no more can Satan and a sanctified soul, for these are contrary the one to the other. (2.) That there is likewise a continual struggle between the wicked and the godly in this world. Those that love God account those their enemies that hate him, Ps. 139:21, 22. And all the rage and malice of persecutors against the people of God are the fruit of this enmity, which will continue while there is a godly man on this side heaven, and a wicked man on this side hell. Marvel not therefore if the world hate you, 1 Jn. 3:13.
 
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My understanding of it (speaking to the serpent)....

literal:

 "I will make you enemies, and not only you and her but also her offspring and yours. Men will crush your kind's heads and your kind will strike their heel because of this hatred." Pretty much serpents and humans will hate each other and will both harm each other.

symbolic:

serpent is symbolic of evil; the woman is symbolic of purity; offspring of serpent are symbolic of the children of evil/Satan; Offspring of the woman are symbolic of the children of purity/God; the pure will crush evil, but the evil can only strike their heel - ie Good will do more damage than evil.

prophetic:

serpent is Satan and his "kingdom"; woman is a prophecy of Mary; the serpents offspring are the children of Satan; woman's offspring is a prophecy of Jesus; crushing and heel refer to the crucifixion in which Jesus Christ was struck with a slight blow, yet crushed the power of sin; also says that Jesus crushed Satan (the head of the evil "kingdom"), and Satan can only strike a small part of Christ's body (His heel)

 

3-fold interpretation. I also view all prophecy as having 2 completions... one at the appointed time, and one at the end times, so not only did Jesus Christ crush Satan at the cross, but will crush Satan's forces in the final end-time battle.
 
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since the woman was tempted by the serpent to sin, so by a woman a savior would come and destroy the very work the devil created, since satan use woman to bring sin into the world, God uses woman to bring a savior to destroy it. so satan got a big dose of his own medicine, and its gonna taste real nasty when Jesus comes back.
 
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