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nephilimiyr

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Is eschatology one of those things where the Roman Catholic Church holds no firm doctrine on and if it does how many Roman Catholics are preterists or partial preterists? An answer in a percential would be great even if it's a guess! Just give me your own estimate.
 

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http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c2a7.htm


670 670 Since the Ascension God's plan has entered into its fulfillment. We are already at "the last hour".554 "Already the final age of the world is with us, and the renewal of the world is irrevocably under way; it is even now anticipated in a certain real way, for the Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real but imperfect."555 Christ's kingdom already manifests its presence through the miraculous signs that attend its proclamation by the Church.556


. . .until all things are subjected to him

671 Though already present in his Church, Christ's reign is nevertheless yet to be fulfilled "with power and great glory" by the King's return to earth.557 This reign is still under attack by the evil powers, even though they have been defeated definitively by Christ's Passover.557 Until everything is subject to him, "until there be realized new heavens and a new earth in which justice dwells, the pilgrim Church, in her sacraments and institutions, which belong to this present age, carries the mark of this world which will pass, and she herself takes her place among the creatures which groan and travail yet and await the revelation of the sons of God."559 That is why Christians pray, above all in the Eucharist, to hasten Christ's return by saying to him:560 Marana tha! "Our Lord, come!"561

672 Before his Ascension Christ affirmed that the hour had not yet come for the glorious establishment of the messianic kingdom awaited by Israel562 which, according to the prophets, was to bring all men the definitive order of justice, love and peace.563 According to the Lord, the present time is the time of the Spirit and of witness, but also a time still marked by "distress" and the trial of evil which does not spare the Church564 and ushers in the struggles of the last days. It is a time of waiting and watching.565

The glorious advent of Christ, the hope of Israel

673 Since the Ascension Christ's coming in glory has been imminent,566 even though "it is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority."567. This eschatological coming could be accomplished at any moment, even if both it and the final trial that will precede it are "delayed".568

674 The glorious Messiah's coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by "all Israel", for "a hardening has come upon part of Israel" in their "unbelief" toward Jesus.569 St. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost: "Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old."570 St. Paul echoes him: "For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?"571 The "full inclusion" of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation, in the wake of "the full number of the Gentiles",572 will enable the People of God to achieve "the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ", in which "God may be all in all".573

The Church's ultimate trial

675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,577 especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.578 677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.579 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.580 God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.581
 
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Hi Neph. Most of the Catholics that I have talked to over the years, hold to the partial preterist belief. I'll wager a guess, and say probably 95% believe this.
 
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Big Mouth Nana said:
Hi Neph. Most of the Catholics that I have talked to over the years, hold to the partial preterist belief. I'll wager a guess, and say probably 95% believe this.
Possible, but I think most don't have a clear position other than Christ is coming again.
 
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I have some friends who are in the "Spirit filled" group of the Catholic Church, and they believe in a pre-trib rapture with a millinniel physical reign of the Lord. There are various beliefs among the Catholics about the end times, in my experience through friendship, but the offical Catholic Church stance about the end times I do not know. I suppose the internet would have this information readily available with a bit of "googling".
 
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Big Mouth Nana said:
Hi Neph. Most of the Catholics that I have talked to over the years, hold to the partial preterist belief. I'll wager a guess, and say probably 95% believe this.
How yah doing Big Mouth? You been hideing on us for a long time now.

It would seem as though Free has contradicted you in what she posted?

LOL, good to hear from you again
 
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Yeah, I know a google search would reveal the answer but I just wanted to hear from the CF crowd what they thought.

Thanks!
 
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FreeinChrist said:
Possible, but I think most don't have a clear position other than Christ is coming again.
FreeinChrist I have to agree with that. Thanks for the in depth info!
 
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nephilimiyr said:
How yah doing Big Mouth? You been hideing on us for a long time now.

It would seem as though Free has contradicted you in what she posted?

LOL, good to hear from you again
Hi Neph. Haven't been hiding, just didn't feel like posting on here for awhile. It get's mundane after awhile. As far as Free contradicting me, that's nothing new. We have the same Lord in common and totally disagree with the Preterists, lol, and that's all that matters to me.
 
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This is a good question, and not exactly simple to answer! I wanted to know more about Catholic eschatology and have recently started doing research on it. Though I am not an expert, this is what I have noticed.

The Catholic Church is definitely not 'full preterist', it explicitly teaches that Jesus will come again at some time in future. Whenever the Creed is recited, this is affirmed: He will come in glory to judge the living and the dead. Any Catholic adhering to full preterist views is therefore not following the teachings of the Church.

Regarding partial preterism, futurism, historicism and idealism as ways of looking at prophecy, the Catholic Church has not adopted any specific one. As I understand it, the Church doesn't view it as an 'either-or', but rather a 'both-and', and that the different methods can be used in a complementary way to interpret Biblical prophecy. There's no 'official' Catholic Church endorsement of any one of these schools of interpretation. It would be interesting to have some statistics on what Catholics believe regarding preterism, futurism, etc. but I haven't yet seen any, unfortunately.

In my experience, Catholics tend to place less emphasis on eschatology than Protestants. In many ways the Catholic Church's position is vague and leaves a lot of leeway for interpretation. Because the Church seems to place less emphasis on eschatology, I think the average Catholic's view of the end times might be less specific than many Protestants, but I could be wrong about that...

On a related note, the Catholic Church has never officially defined the millenium, but Breetai is right, the Church's position is amillenial. It believes Jesus already instituted the Kingdom with the Church, and that He is reigning now. The Catholic view is also that there is continuity between Old Testament Israel and the Church, so the Catholic teaching disagrees with dispensationalism. Therefore, it would follow that the Catholic Church does not interpret a pre-Tribulation rapture.
 
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