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I don’t care about the seamless garment I’m saying Jesus did not wear expensive clothes
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I don’t care about the seamless garment I’m saying Jesus did not wear expensive clothesJohn the Baptist was a prophet in the spirit of Elijah, who also dressed that way. Jesus was a high priest, thus the seamless garment.
I don’t care about the seamless garment I’m saying Jesus did not wear expensive clothes
And where is this stated in the scriptures otherwise it’s mere conjecture.I didn't say they were expensive, but the seamless tunic likely was, was likely a gift, or his mother may have woven it for him, in which case the materials would have been the only cost. The point is that it was a fine garment fitting for a priest. It is not likely that he wore it every day, in fact it is likely that he donned it only a few days before his death.
And where is this stated in the scriptures otherwise it’s mere conjecture.
That's true. It's about priority in our lives; is the Lord first? It's not about being legalistic in that one exercises judgment over what another has given (not that you can even tell from the outside. I know people who have given away houses and cars, but they will never tell you. You have to know someone in the transaction since they aren't tooting their horns).No I’m stating that Jesus said we should not seek after food drink clothing and make our lives about this and this is what the pagans do Jesus states. And what the pagans do is they make their life about their job and not about the preaching of the gospel like the disciples did. So I am stating we should be giving up our jobs and preaching the gospel And God will provide and God will provide that is the work of God that is the great commission from Jesus.
I never see so many people become defensive than when I preach about how Jesus said the following statement:
Luke 14:33 - In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.
In today’s society, it is hard to imagine the practicality of this statement, however it is crucial not to deny that this is indeed, what Jesus said. I want to discuss how to practically apply this statement to our lives. I have heard every explanation under the sun about what Jesus meant when he said we have to ‘give up all’, but there is no hidden meaning behind this statement.
It is not a parable that we have to interpret. It is a commandment. It was not said for just a particular person or a certain group of people either. As you will see in this post, Jesus says it quite often and it is a running theme throughout his ministry. If you look at Jesus’ life, including the disciples and the early church, you will see that they also gave up all to preach the gospel. Jesus is not asking us to do anything new or anything he hasn’t also done. Paul, James and other writers also give us evidence that this was how Christians were meant to live. I feel compelled to also write this regarding Luke 14:33 and the practicality of this statement. Everything Jesus said is relevant today and holds the power to give us true freedom and eternal life.
Let us consider Luke 12:22-34 -22 Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. 23 For life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. 24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! 25 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life? 26 Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?
27 “Consider how the wild flowers grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you—you of little faith! 29 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. 30 For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. 31 But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.
32 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Is God Really Your Provider?
This scripture clearly says that once you give up your possessions and rely on God, He will provide for your needs. Obviously, this takes great faith and if you are lacking the faith, then you're going to miss the point. I have personally witnessed this statement strike fear into the heart of many people and it is simply because they fail to acknowledge God as their Provider.
Luke 12:31 - But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.
A repentant person will pray and ask God "help me with my unbelief or faith" like the father of a demon-possessed boy asked in Mark 9:20-24.
An unrepentant person on the other hand, will just twist the scriptures to suit their argument so that they can keep their money. As it says in Luke 16:14 - The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. Other translations say they were scoffing and ridiculing Jesus.
This is the attitude I feel some people have towards Luke 14:33 and every other scripture that supports the commandment to give up your possessions.
Jesus gave up his possessions and preached the gospel whilst God provided for him. So did the disciples and we, also being disciples, are called to do the same.
Luke 18:28 - “Look,” said Peter, “we have left all we had to follow You.”
Luke 9:58 & Matthew 8:20 - Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”
1 John 2:4 - 6 - Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.
Accepting The Statement
We need to weigh up whether we can accept the cost of discipleship or not. If you really want to know how it works to give up all, I'll say this - it's a slow process, nothing happens quickly. Giving up all needs to be a completely informed and logical decision which is based on the Bible. It is not an emotional choice that is made on a whim which you may later regret. It is life changing; a complete priority switch. Jesus says to take the time you need to make this decision. We must remember that the first step is to just accept the statement of Luke 14:33.
Right before Luke 14:33, verses 28-32 say this:
28“Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? 29For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, 30saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t able to finish.’
31“Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace.
Jesus gives the same commandment to the rich young ruler.
Mark 10:21 - Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
But this man could not even accept the statement.
Mark 10:22/Matthew 19:22 - Shocked at this statement, the man went away sad, because he had many possessions.
If he would have at least accepted the statement but not actually done it, this would be considered 'annulling'. He would have still entered the kingdom of heaven but as the least in the kingdom. ‘Accepting the statement but annulling’ means to believe the philosophical statement that Jesus made and to constantly know that you should give up all. However, you lack faith in God’s ability to provide for your needs to actually put this philosophy into action.
Matthew 5:19 - Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
It’s important to note that the one who annulled or ‘set aside’ was still in the Kingdom of Heaven. This decision is what Jesus meant by ‘suing for peace’ in Luke 14:32.
Luke 14:32 - If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace.
The Cost Of Being A Disciple
It’s also what he meant by estimating the cost of being a disciple in:
Luke 14:28 - “Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it?
This is why Jesus goes on in Mark and Matthew to say:
Matthew 19:30/Mark 10:31 - But many who are the greatest now will be least important then, and those who seem least important now will be the greatest then.
The least being the one who annulled and the greatest being the one that does not. The one who annuls this commandment will still be rich on this earth and considered great. And the one who does not annul and gives up all will be considered the least on this earth.
The Kingdom of Heaven is opposite to earth. The poor who gave up their riches and did not annul, shall be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. While the one who annulled, will be least in the kingdom. Keep in mind, however, that both are in the Kingdom of Heaven. So the first step is just to accept the statement and not to actually do it. This in itself is a great feat but we must separate the action from the philosophy in order to acknowledge the truth in what Jesus is saying. Don't imagine what it will be like when you give up all and ask yourself doubtful questions but rather first simply focus on whether Jesus said it.
Matthew 6:31-32 - So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
The Prodigal Son
At this point, if you can accept the statement and you believe Jesus' words and have not denied them, you have entered the kingdom of heaven. However, you will have entered as the least. If at any moment before your death, you stop annulling the commandment and give up all in action, you have now become the greatest in the kingdom of God. This is the true meaning behind the story of the ‘Prodigal Son’ found in Luke 15:11-32,, who is like someone who stops annulling.
In this story, the prodigal son portrays one who was annulling God’s word. This was signified by living in a distant country, working with pigs and squandering his inheritance. Spiritually speaking, this inheritance is the truths given to him by God which he is choosing to annul in action. However, because the prodigal son never twisted the philosophical truth, he could return to the father by no longer annulling in action. The prodigal son returned home and was accepted back by the father with open arms.
It all begins with accepting the statement of Luke 14:33. You cannot move any further without first accepting the statement. Accepting the statement is half the battle. Once you have accepted the statement, the Holy Spirit will begin to enable you to actually do it, meaning make it possible to actually do it in action, if this is your desire. This is why Jesus said:
Luke 18:27/Matthew 19:26/Mark 10:27 - Jesus replied, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”
It is impossible to do this with our own spirit but through the Holy Spirit, all things are possible.
Denying The Commandment To Give Up All
For the one who does not even accept Jesus' statement, he is a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit and this is an unforgivable sin.
John 6:63 - The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Also see Luke 12:12/John 7:16 KJV/John 12:49 - for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say."
Jesus' words are spirit. If we reject them, do not believe them and deny them, then we blaspheme the Holy Spirit by calling what is right that which is wrong, and this is an unforgivable sin.
Matthew 12:31-32/Luke 12:10/Mark 3:28-29 - Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come
This is who Jesus is speaking of in:
Luke 14:29-30 - For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, 30 saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t able to finish.’
Anyone who moves too quickly without completely understanding and accepting the statement in Luke 14:33, will eventually claim that the statement is impossible to fulfill. Thus, claiming that Jesus could not have possibly meant this saying in its literal form. This in turn, causes the individual to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit by not believing the words of Jesus. In order not to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, we must take our time with the option of believing what Jesus said, without doing it. This would ensure that we enter the Kingdom of Heaven, even if we are going to be least there. Additionally, as long as we are still alive, we will also have the further option to stop annulling. This in turn would be fulfilling this commandment in action as well; becoming like the prodigal son and returning to the Father.
The first step is to accept the statement without worrying how to fulfill it in action.
Matthew 6:31 - So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
We must not ask ourselves doubtful questions. Rather we must have faith that God will provide and will add to us, the things He already knows we need.. Then the Holy Spirit will enable you to do so in action if this is your desire. Or you may choose to believe it and teach it to others but you yourself, have annulled it in action in your own life. This would make you least in the kingdom of heaven but at least you are in the kingdom of heaven. At a later time, you may be like the prodigal son and stop annulling in action. As it stands now, not accepting the statement at all will make this commandment impossible to fulfill in your life, whether philosophically or in action.
Yes, obviously if it’s in it’s correct context.So, a question. Do you believe that “all scripture is god-breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness?”
Of course he did to be a true follower of Christ you must be his disciple.I am a true follower of Christ, but do not do this as Jesus never said that all must do this.
Of course he did to be a true follower of Christ you must be his disciple.
Luke 14:33 33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.
This is directed to all followers.
No, it's directed at who he was speaking to.
Tell me, if you believe that everything that was said to whom he was speaking to was also for all of us today, have you poked your eye out yet or cut your hand off?
Of course he was speaking to everyone. Jesus did not have a double standard he did not have one message for Some and another for others, he was not a hypocrite.
The scripture your quoting about plucking out Ones eye or cutting of your hand He was speaking spiritually not physically since if he was speaking literally can you show me one case where a man plucked out his eye or cut off his hand or foot literally in the scriptures. My point is even people back then understood this scripture was a spiritual one since no one physically did what he was telling them. But with the scripture of giving up all we find in but with the scripture of giving up all we find in X tge book of acts 2:45 and 4:34 that the first century church did physical/literally do this.
Acts 2:45 They sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need.
Acts 4:32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.
34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.
36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”), 37 sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.
You’re wrong you don’t know what you think you know.
Again, that is not meant for all people at all times. They did it then because it was conducive for living at the time. That kind of living today does not work. This is a different time and place.
The Bible does not conform to current cultures and traditions the cultures and traditions of today must conform to the Bible we cannot put current conditions above God. That is the point of the whole Bible you’ve missed it. That is what you call compromise and manipulation.
I seem to know more than you, a supposed Pastor who for someone who doesn't own a computer, cell phone, or tablet, sure is online quite a bit!
Yes.Apparently, nobody will. Have you sold all of your possessions and given the proceeds to the poor?
Matthew 13:10-11 - His disciples came and asked him, “Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?” 11 He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not.All characters in a story.
Now, this I agree with, only that narrow gate that leads to life is reason and indeed it is only a few who find it. Certainly, those who would try to fulfill this commandment are not among them.
I consider it immoral to believe things on faith.
One can take anything on faith. Faith is wishing that the imaginary is real. I know that it is not.
Pride is one of the 3 cardinal virtues in my philosophy.
Then he knows that starving children in Africa and other places need these things to live and yet they die wanting every day. If fact, the Bible is full of fantasy. It's very starting point is a fantasy. It begins with a falsehood and it denies the very principle which distinguishes fact from fantasy, that's why nothing is impossible with God. In the realm of the imagination, anything is possible. Out here in reality, only that which is real is possible.
ou know Nothing the scriptures state a fool is wise in his own eyes.
If you understood the scriptures you would know that once you give up all God will add to you for your needs. God will provide.
You know Nothing the scriptures state a fool is wise in his own eyes. If you understood the scriptures you would know that once you give up all God will add to you for your needs. God will provide.
This applies to you as well.
I do understand the scriptures, I just don't agree with how you have interpreted them. God has provided for me. I am very blessed. He has given me what I have as I know that without Him I would not have what I do have.
I was divorced against my will. I basically left with the clothes on my back and a computer as it was mine, oh and no car. I moved in with my parents, they bought me a beater car so that I could go to work. I worked part-time so that I could pay my child support and yet, was still able to pay bills (still had those even though I was living with my parents) and start to rebuild. I had faith that God would continue to bless me, and he has. I now have a girlfriend who I prayed for as only God could have given me her and the relationship that we have is better than any I have ever been in. He continues to bless me as I continue to have faith in Him to work in my life.
It also says in the Bible that if a man doesn't work, he shall not eat.
I suggest that you read 2 Thessalonians 3. It warns against idleness and it shows that Paul and those with him worked and did not eat anyone's bread free of charge.
You can say what you will about having to give up all being for all time. I know you are wrong, and so do so many others!
You hope that I am wrong since you are filled with compromise and doubt.
No, not hope, since I am confident that you are indeed wrong.
I indeed know what God has done for me, as He has provided for me all that I have.
You have sought after these things yourself. God provides once you give up all.
We are at an impasse and are talking in relative circles. So, you keep doing you boo. I will keep doing me. I will see you in Heaven!
Matthew 6:19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.So, tell us how this works. We give up everything, and then where do we send it all once we've sold it all?
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