Floyd Landis

ZiSunka · Aug 3, 2006

What's going on with him?

He's come up with another improbable explanation for what happened at the Tour de France:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14059185/

MrJim · Aug 3, 2006

I guess we wait for the 2d test results-heard they were coming out Saturday?

Can't imagine any guy would dope up knowing they are going to be tested...

ZiSunka · Aug 3, 2006

I can't either. It would be supremely stupid!

Andyman_1970 · Aug 3, 2006

It would be very stupid considering some of the biggest names in pro cycling were banned from the Tour (literally the day of the start) due to the Spanish doping investigation.

For the life of me I can't figure out how testoserone helps a cyclist and I am one.

Hopefully it was just a false reading............

ZiSunka · Aug 3, 2006

Andyman_1970 said:
It would be very stupid considering some of the biggest names in pro cycling were banned from the Tour (literally the day of the start) due to the Spanish doping investigation.

For the life of me I can't figure out how testoserone helps a cyclist and I am one.

Hopefully it was just a false reading............

They are saying it enhances muscle strength and stamina, but they are also saying increased test/epitest ratios are the result of use of a certain kind of anabolic steroid that can be obtained over the internet without a perscription.

AmishBoy · Aug 3, 2006

odd. last i heard he was just saying he has always had high levels. who knows.

ZiSunka · Aug 3, 2006

AmishBoy said:
odd. last i heard he was just saying he has always had high levels. who knows.

That wouldn't be borne out with his history. Even during the race, he only had high levels than one day. And he had been tested in four different races already this year and this is the first one with a high level, he said on NPR last week.

He should just be quiet until the results come out. The more he talks, the more guilty he sounds.

Andyman_1970 · Aug 4, 2006

lambslove said:
They are saying it enhances muscle strength and stamina, but they are also saying increased test/epitest ratios are the result of use of a certain kind of anabolic steroid that can be obtained over the internet without a perscription.

Exactly, how does one dose help a cyclist? Testoserone has to be taken over a long period of time to build muscle..........not once during a bike race. So this makes no sense to me why one would take it to gain a performance advantage.

Also, it wasn't a high level of testosrone he tested positive for, it was an abnormal ratio of testoserone to epitestoerone (or something like that).

Andyman_1970 · Aug 4, 2006

lambslove said:
He should just be quiet until the results come out. The more he talks, the more guilty he sounds.

The European press already thinks he's guilty............so you kind of have to say something otherwise they really think you're guilty.

ZiSunka · Aug 4, 2006

Yes, but at least make one explanation sound plausible.

Andyman_1970 · Aug 4, 2006

lambslove said:
Yes, but at least make one explanation sound plausible.

As a cylist who races myself, and one who's followed the Tour for many years, I've yet to hear any explaination that made sense from a performance enhancing (as far as cycling goes) perspective.

ZiSunka · Aug 4, 2006

Andyman_1970 said:
As a cylist who races myself, and one who's followed the Tour for many years, I've yet to hear any explaination that made sense from a performance enhancing (as far as cycling goes) perspective.

It's hard to make up a good enough story to cover a lie that is so easily exposed, I guess.

The only thing he hasn't blamed is global warming, but I expect that to be his next explanation.

AmishBoy · Aug 4, 2006

lambslove said:
It's hard to make up a good enough story to cover a lie that is so easily exposed, I guess.

The only thing he hasn't blamed is global warming, but I expect that to be his next explanation.

Lol, "Due to the effects of global warming and general pollution in the air some peoples bodies are forced to produce more testosterone to keep the body cooled and to strengthen it against pollutants. Because I am outdoors more than most the effect is more noticable in my situation." -Floyd Landis

ZiSunka · Aug 4, 2006

AmishBoy said:
Lol, "Due to the effects of global warming and general pollution in the air some peoples bodies are forced to produce more testosterone to keep the body cooled and to strengthen it against pollutants. Because I am outdoors more than most the effect is more noticable in my situation." -Floyd Landis

It's as good as his dehyrdation explanation. Especially after he credited his high level of hydration as part of the reason he was able to rally to come from behind like that.

Maybe this one hasn't been presented yet:

"Because I often train at night, cosmic rays caused my testosterone/epitestosterone ratio to be skewed. Others, who train during the daylight hours, aren't exposed to those cosmic rays. I was expecially vulnerable to the effects of cosmic rays because I was out drinking the night before. High levels of blood alcohol trap the cosmic rays inside the body where they bounce around the inner organs creating all sorts of hormone imbalances."

Andyman_1970 · Aug 4, 2006

Alcohol consumption will also affect that ratio.........he admitted to having something to drink after the bad day he had on stage 16.

ZiSunka · Aug 4, 2006

Andyman_1970 said:
Alcohol consumption will also affect that ratio.........he admitted to having something to drink after the bad day he had on stage 16.

Yes, but the doctors have said he would have had to consume a lethal amount of whiskey to alter the ratio that much.

He admits to having 5 shots of whiskey plus some beer, but the doctors have said he would have had to drink five quarts to achieve those results.

Andyman_1970 · Aug 4, 2006

Remember this is a person who was at their lactate threshold for at least and hour and a half that day. What Dr's say about what would affect "normal" people does not relate to these guys with respect to what will or won't affect their bodies.

In the 2003 Tour, on the individual time trial, Lance got seriously dehydrated. That condition would have killed a "normal" person in about 15 mintues, given the physical exertion involved.

I understand what you're saying LL, and I'm not being argumentative........it's just these guys are not "normal"...........LOL

ZiSunka · Aug 4, 2006

Andyman_1970 said:
Remember this is a person who was at their lactate threshold for at least and hour and a half that day. What Dr's say about what would affect "normal" people does not relate to these guys with respect to what will or won't affect their bodies.

In the 2003 Tour, on the individual time trial, Lance got seriously dehydrated. That condition would have killed a "normal" person in about 15 mintues, given the physical exertion involved.

I understand what you're saying LL, and I'm not being argumentative........it's just these guys are not "normal"...........LOL

But they aren't superhuman, either. Five quarts of whiskey consumed in one night would kill even the strongest athlete. And after stage 11, Floyd said he had been able to stay completely hydrated because he was out in front with the support vehicle that kept him supplied with all the drinks he could stand. Also, he didn't have any symptoms of dehydration, a serious and life-threatening condition.

I'm not saying he is guilty, only that he should stop offering explanations. Everyone he gives makes him look more guilty because they are so lousy. Science and common sense don't back up his explanations.

Andyman_1970 · Aug 4, 2006

lambslove said:
But they aren't superhuman, either. Five quarts of whiskey consumed in one night would kill even the strongest athlete. And after stage 11, Floyd said he had been able to stay completely hydrated because he was out in front with the support vehicle that kept him supplied with all the drinks he could stand. Also, he didn't have any symptoms of dehydration, a serious and life-threatening condition.

I never mentioned he was dehydrated. I simply used Lance as an example of they can endure things that normal people would not be able to, and as such, their physiology is different than normal people.

Stage 11 was 7 days before stage 16 on which Floyd bonked, so his hydration on stage 11 is irrelevant to his condition on stage 16. When an athlete bonks their body chemistry is all out of whack. It wouldnt surprise me, if even a small amount of alcohol, along with his messed up body chemistry contributed to such an abnormal ratio reading. Ive read more than one Dr. suggest the same thing with regards to Floyds testosterone ratio.

lambslove said:
I'm not saying he is guilty, only that he should stop offering explanations. Everyone he gives makes him look more guilty because they are so lousy. Science and common sense don't back up his explanations.

Actually the science regarding this condition, an abnormal ratio, is actually quite lacking, every instance of a cyclist testing positive for an abnormal ratio has been able to prove it was because of naturally occurring circumstances. The WADA readily agrees there is something to be desired regarding their testosterone testing.

Technically an abnormal ratio is not doping per se, testosterone is not a banned substance according to the UCI.
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Andyman_1970 · Aug 4, 2006

Not to mention for the life of me I can't understand why (if he did in fact take testosterone) taking testosterone would help a cyclist three quarters of the way through a 2000 mile bike race.

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