First Commandment

Exegete12 · Jun 23, 2007

Thou shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul.

Much has been said about interfaith dialogue, and as I said before I no longer participate in it. You will note I have not answered threads relating to polemic issues such as that.

So when Muslims, Hindus, et all come to Western countries who have a Judeo-Christian heritage, then the Lord requires that we are to love the stranger, but they must assimilate into our religion.

Please read the following from www.visiblesoul.org/judah/blog/2007/05/30/need-we-protect-our-judeo-christian-heritage/

Puritan Lad, in his Covenant Theology blog, has posted an entry entitled Christianity and Immigration in which he writes that, whereas the Bible commands us to love the immigrant, it also commands the immigrant to assimilate into a Christian society that welcomes him. He references the following Scripture:

You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt. You shall not mistreat any widow or fatherless child. If you do mistreat them, and they cry out to me, I will surely hear their cry, and my wrath will burn, and I will kill you with the sword, and your wives shall become widows and your children fatherless. (Exodus 22:21-24)

You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the LORD your God.
(Leviticus 24:22)

And if a stranger sojourns among you and would keep the Passover to the LORD, according to the statute of the Passover and according to its rule, so shall he do. You shall have one statute, both for the sojourner and for the native.
(Numbers 9:14)

This is about assimilation, and assimilation into a country with a Judeo-Christian heritage upon which our culture and national identity is based. Our society may be largely secular due to the separation of state from religion, but we are not religion-free and there should be no covert invitation for any other to make the soup too salty to the taste. Yes, of course I am biased towards Christianity. The first of the Ten Commandments just happens to be: You shall have no other gods before me.

Our scriptures state it loud and clear what Christians views should be on this. Selah.

Abdurrahim · Jun 23, 2007

Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.

Is that not a warning against trinity doctrine ?

Exegete12 · Jun 23, 2007

Start another thread Abdul.

Arthra · Jun 23, 2007

"So when Muslims, Hindus, et all come to Western countries who have a Judeo-Christian heritage, then the Lord requires that we are to love the stranger, but they must assimilate into our religion"

And how would you go about enforcing this?

Don't you think it better to allow freedom of belief as provided in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?

- Art

Exegete12 · Jun 23, 2007

Arthra said:
"So when Muslims, Hindus, et all come to Western countries who have a Judeo-Christian heritage, then the Lord requires that we are to love the stranger, but they must assimilate into our religion"

And how would you go about enforcing this?

Don't you think it better to allow freedom of belief as provided in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?

- Art

Well of course I do. But it is not right for another religion to assert its dominance in a host country, whose very lifestyle of freedom of belief, has been developed that way, i.e. through the progressiveness of the Judeo-Christian heritage.

anatolian · Jun 23, 2007

Whats the relation between the first commendment and westernity?

baobobtree · Jun 23, 2007

What if I don't wish to be assimilated into the Judeo-Christian culture?

kunabi · Jun 23, 2007

AlHannah said:
But it is not right for another religion to assert its dominance in a host country, whose very lifestyle of freedom of belief, has been developed that way, i.e. through the progressiveness of the Judeo-Christian heritage.

Could you be more specific on the highlighted part please? Any specific religion or incident in mind?

czach8 · Jun 23, 2007

AlHannah said:
Thou shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul.

Much has been said about interfaith dialogue, and as I said before I no longer participate in it. You will note I have not answered threads relating to polemic issues such as that.

So when Muslims, Hindus, et all come to Western countries who have a Judeo-Christian heritage, then the Lord requires that we are to love the stranger, but they must assimilate into our religion.

Please read the following from www.visiblesoul.org/judah/blog/2007/05/30/need-we-protect-our-judeo-christian-heritage/

Our scriptures state it loud and clear what Christians views should be on this. Selah.

Good luck with your cause. In any case, OT scriptures do not apply anymore as most Christians believe. Thank you.

Futuwwa · Jun 23, 2007

Yep, that's what I thought too. Some Christians seem to find it convenient to take out the OT at times to prove a point, but shrug at the thought of some of the more sanguinary commandments applying to them.

arunma · Jun 23, 2007

Well personally I think that people living in all cultures should adopt Christianity, so I don't think that what AlHannah has said should be limited to countries with a "Christian" heritage (to say nothing of the fact that these countries are usually only nominally Christian).

czach8 · Jun 24, 2007

arunma said:
Well personally I think that people living in all cultures should adopt Christianity.

And do you actually believe all cultures should adopt other religions. You would obviously disagree, so therefore you are stuck in a stalemate position like every other religion. Although, good luck with your cause. You have my blessing.

yaqovzadeek · Jun 24, 2007

AlHannah said:
So when Muslims, Hindus, et all come to Western countries who have a Judeo-Christian heritage, then the Lord requires that we are to love the stranger, but they must assimilate into our religion.

Please read the following from www.visiblesoul.org/judah/blog/2007/05/30/need-we-protect-our-judeo-christian-heritage/

Our scriptures state it loud and clear what Christians views should be on this. Selah.

Hi lady
so lets say all non muslims who come to Arab land to earn their tax free wages should assimilate into our religion too.its only fair isn't.They must grow a beard, wear the dishdashas or thob however you want to call it,speak arabic, not eat during the month of ramadhan,don't ask for churches to be built, get their women covered, don't ask for alcohol when they go to hotels. Why the double standards. Be fair shall we.If muslims have to assimilate into western or as you are putting it Christian religion then let the non muslim do the same in Muslim lands.
Oh! by the way this is the first commandment:Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka James the just

Exegete12 · Jun 24, 2007

kunabi said:
Could you be more specific on the highlighted part please? Any specific religion or incident in mind?

In Western society, we do not nor should we even think about allowing a hint of shariah law in a Western country.

As the bible commands Christians, there is only ONE LAW for the people, not separate laws for different religions.

Therefore much of the Western world has its laws based from the Bible, even the archaic blasphemy laws that are still in place. Those laws are what keep the fabric of our society together.

We are encouraged to welcome the immigrant, the stranger ... but the law for them is the law of the country they come to, which in most instances is based on the Christian-Judeo heritage. This same law is for all to enjoy, and not be compromised by other religions trying to infiltrate our system.

Exegete12 · Jun 24, 2007

And one more thing, we are under the LAW of GRACE. Not bondage. Cursed is any man/woman who falls under that law of Bondage.
PS
By the way I am not cursing anyone here, it is the bible that states they will be accursed. And we only have to look at nations who are not under the Law of Grace, to see the curse happening before our eyes: both Israel (Judaism) and the Muslim World.

français · Jun 24, 2007

yaqovzadeek said:
Hi lady
so lets say all non muslims who come to Arab land to earn their tax free wages should assimilate into our religion too.its only fair isn't.They must grow a beard, wear the dishdashas or thob however you want to call it,speak arabic, not eat during the month of ramadhan,don't ask for churches to be built, get their women covered, don't ask for alcohol when they go to hotels. Why the double standards. Be fair shall we.If muslims have to assimilate into western or as you are putting it Christian religion then let the non muslim do the same in Muslim lands.

Peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka James the just

if someone comes to America, they should accept our values. and our Judeo Chrsitian Universalist tradition. if they don't.. they should not be here!!

i think the same applies for people who want to move to saudi arabia, or muslim countries. (except for Egyptian Chrsitians and syrian and lebanese who were there before the muslims, and still are. sort of like the berbers.. the arabs stole and enslaved them for years upon years. but since the berbers were originally there, they should still be able to be there of course!)

so if they were there first (like the Christians were before muslims) then let them stay obviously. but if they weren't, then get out!

Exegete12 · Jun 24, 2007

czach8 said:
Good luck with your cause. In any case, OT scriptures do not apply anymore as most Christians believe. Thank you.

Correct, OT laws do not apply, so I will stick with the Law of Grace. And this Law of Grace extends to everyone in the free world. Why change it? Why change it by trying to instigate another 'law'.

Exegete12 · Jun 24, 2007

yaqovzadeek said:
Hi lady
so lets say all non muslims who come to Arab land to earn their tax free wages should assimilate into our religion too.its only fair isn't.They must grow a beard, wear the dishdashas or thob however you want to call it,speak arabic, not eat during the month of ramadhan,don't ask for churches to be built, get their women covered, don't ask for alcohol when they go to hotels. Why the double standards. Be fair shall we.If muslims have to assimilate into western or as you are putting it Christian religion then let the non muslim do the same in Muslim lands.
Oh! by the way this is the first commandment:Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka James the just

Hellow Yaqov,
But the thing is they cannot operate freely as Christians in these Muslim lands. In Qatar it is still legal to kill a Jew, for just being a Jew. Look at the persecutions of Christians in Gaza, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and you tell me to be fair?

I wouldn't say Saudi, because there aren't any Christians there.

yaqovzadeek · Jun 24, 2007

AlHannah said:
So when Muslims, Hindus, et all come to Western countries who have a Judeo-Christian heritage, then the Lord requires that we are to love the stranger, but they must assimilate into our religion.

Please read the following from www.visiblesoul.org/judah/blog/2007/05/30/need-we-protect-our-judeo-christian-heritage/

Our scriptures state it loud and clear what Christians views should be on this. Selah.

So when the non muslims come through the airports here they should all be given a thob, a quran, Should be held for a day or two uand released when the beard has grown, every woman whould be given a headscarf and clothing that is decent not like what we are seeing in Arab land at present with all the riff raff that is coming here, western women almost nake in the malls,
Justice and equality and fairness.
peace
yaqovzadeek
aka james the Just

czach8 · Jun 24, 2007

AlHannah said:
Correct, OT laws do not apply, so I will stick with the Law of Grace. And this Law of Grace extends to everyone in the free world. Why change it? Why change it by trying to instigate another 'law'.

So if all the religions agree to the 10 commandments as governmental law, would this not satisfy you? You talk about the Grace of God as some rule that must be forcibly enforced on all people. However, the Grace of God is not compelling, but it is something spiritually realized. If you want to enforce Christianity in western countries, then Christians first have to accept this, which they are not. Most Christians today accept secular societies because they are embarrased about theocracies.

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