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Trouble is, the multiverse theory she just posted eliminates the tuning argument.Now all you have to do is demonstrate that these parameters could have been different, and if so, that the range that allows for life is unlikely. Have fun.
My claim was that our universe didn't exist before the big bang. There was nothing prior to the Big Bang because there was no prior because time didn't exist.Because saying numerous earlier universes existed before the big bang directly contradicts your claim that nothing existed before the big bang.
No, it doesn't. If there were the trillions and trillions of universes needed to eliminate our universe's fine tuning, we would still be faced with the fine tuning of the universe generator that permits a life permitting one.Trouble is, the multiverse theory she just posted eliminates the tuning argument.
That is not what your link saysMy claim was that our universe didn't exist before the big bang. There was nothing prior to the Big Bang because there was no prior because time didn't exist.
I agree, in fact, that's the point of this thread. God made the universe. He is the universe generator. God must then be fine tuned to generate a universe fine tuned for life!No, it doesn't. If there were the trillions and trillions of universes needed to eliminate our universe's fine tuning, we would still be faced with the fine tuning of the universe generator that permits a life permitting one.
From the link:That is not what your link says
God is not part of the physical world, a natural world generator would be.I agree, in fact, that's the point of this thread. God made the universe. He is the universe generator. God must then be fine tuned to generate a universe fine tuned for life!
From the link:
But now Vilenkin says he has convincing evidence in hand: The universe had a distinct beginning — though he can’t pinpoint the time. After 35 years of looking backward, he says, he’s found that before our universe there was nothing, nothing at all, not even time itself.
And that matters why?In the context of his hypothesis, he means none of that existed IN OUR UNIVERSE, because our universe didn't exist. If he posits multiple universes, how can he possibly know if time existed in THOSE universes?
What are the odds that there is a brainless mind organising it all? I say brainless because to have a brain something would need to be physical and not supernatural.You cannot simply write off the fact we live in a universe where chemistry is possible, when the chances against that being the case are many orders of magnitude greater than the analogous improbability mentioned above.
Any universe generator by definition must be outside our universe.God is not part of the physical world, a natural world generator would be.
Either way, he posits that something existed before our universe, and that the natural laws in that earlier universe, expansion in this case, created our universe. If you've actually come around to accepting this possibility, great. Otherwise, I don't follow how earlier universes can exist with expansion happening, yet somehow still allow for nothing existing and no laws, like expansion, existing.And that matters why?
What are the odds that there is a brainless mind organising it all?
If you are trying to stay within the realms of reality and not the realms of fantasy what are the odds that something non physical could be outside of space and time with the ability to make something that was physical? work the odds out on that one.
If all you want to do is believe in a God why not just believe and leave it at that? why do you need to try and make your imaginary God a real physical thing?
And that matters why?
What we know is that our universe didn't exist, no space, no energy, no matter, no time.
It most certainly does mean that the space, energy, matter and time of this universe did not exist. Which is what I have said. What evidence have you for any matter, energy, space or time other than what we have in our universe?
I wrote the OP. So? Do we have to be fine tuned to design a factory or to design computer programs?
Why then does Krauss write a book about nothing being something. Because most physicists do believe that the singularity whatever it is came out of nothing.
Fine tuning has evidence that is the point. I disagree, I think theism explains why there is something rather than nothing, I think it explains why there is intelligent life, I think it explains why there are laws that govern the universe.
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