Appoint judges and officials for each of your tribes in every town the LORD your God is giving you, and they shall judge the people fairly. Deut. 16:18
So in essence you are agreeing that in part MJ's that are more Karaite-like are hindering the restoration of Judah and Israel?
I think Pat sees through a Protestant lens, and assumes RJ is, theoretically and practically, like medieval Catholicism.
Then you don't understand Pat. Catholicism is the same,
except reversed version of Rabbinic theology. One added
laws, the other changed them. Both abandoned God's commands
for their new theologies.
Protestants began the move away from the harlot RCC, but stopped
with their foot still in the door. They still teach 90% of the Catholic
doctrine, from Sunday worship to the law was abolished.
I was talking specifically in the context of obedience to authority, not relative to their specific laws/praxes.
I have no problem with authority as long as the basis
for that authority is legal, or in this case, biblical. Not
every so-called spiritual leader was chosen by Yahweh.
And not every religious system is of him; even those
claiming to be his.
You're the individual against the system, and so am I, but my thoughts and words on RJ are expressed in a different way, as I have not inherited the Catholic-Protestant animosity against Judaism, which animosity is not only directed to unacceptable tradition, or to acceptable tradition, but to things absolutely necessary to put the Bible into practice. Without extra-Biblical knowledge it would be impossible to carry out so many commandments. How to do a marriage? a divorce? When does the month of Elul begin and end? When does a day begin and end?
Fundamental matters like these are left unclear in the written Torah.
And how do you convince someone else of what "truth" is? When people cannot agree on the basic tenets of "truth," you cannot achieve unity - unless you force people to accept "truth," in which case you are just like the Catholics of the Medieval times.Not quite the group I was looking at. Restoration must be based
on truth and Torah only. Rabbinic and church theology have to go
because they are neither.
In that case, there is no religious authority today at all.I have no problem with authority as long as the basis
for that authority is legal, or in this case, biblical. Not
every so-called spiritual leader was chosen by Yahweh.
And not every religious system is of him; even those
claiming to be his.
I have as much against the churches as against RJ, but the way this forum
goes, the topic is not as commonly brought up.
As I said in my reply to Lulav, Yahweh's word is perfect, as it was written.
Marriage and divorce are not biblical matters, but civil. He gave us judges
and priests to determine most matters. In many matters, I think he left
them vague in order to allow individuality in keeping them.
If the Rabbis did not come down in an unbroken chain from Moses (and they
did not), then they have NO basis for their claim to spiritual or civil authority.
Yeshua did not challenge them on that because he was not here to correct
society, but to save the lost. When he sets up his kingdom, everything will
be restored to how it should have been.
You seem like a religious anarchist to me. There is no authority. No one can tell you what to do. Etc. This is spiritually unhealthy.
If the Rabbis did not come down in an unbroken chain from Moses (and they
did not), then they have NO basis for their claim to spiritual or civil authority.
I believe there is a mind that can be healthy/unhealthy. I don't believe that there are ghosts inside our bodies. Only a structure for memory storage - the brain - and chemicals that are triggered within it, which cause our individual temperaments and personalities. If the chemical combination changes, so does our personality and temperament. If the electricity stops, so does our thinking. When the storage structure deteriorates, our memories are erased. When the brain is dead, so are we.Do you believe there is a spirit, that can be healthy/unhealthy ?
If he was following tradition, you'd criticize that too. The issue for me is the invocation of Catholic-Protestant cliches against Judaism, and the fact that it is literally impossible to keep many of the laws, especially calendrical laws, without tradition.
And how do you convince someone else of what "truth" is? When people cannot agree on the basic tenets of "truth," you cannot achieve unity - unless you force people to accept "truth," in which case you are just like the Catholics of the Medieval times.
That is actually not so.
God said to establish judges and put fences around the Torah, as the Rabbis have done, regardless of when they arose. Yeshua, acting in the capacity of Rabbi, did the same.
Pat I'd like to invite you to re-read the OP, it seems that by your replies that you just glossed over it or maybe didn't read it at all, only the title?WRONG. The Talmud is the only place you find the command to
make fences. If you think Yeshua added to Torah, then denounce
him as a false Messiah. That is the law.
I have as much against the churches as against RJ, but the way this forum goes, the topic is not as commonly brought up.
Yahweh's word is perfect, as it was written. Marriage and divorce are not biblical matters, but civil.
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