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Excerpts from the Pope's Soon to Be Released Encyclical

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A copy of the Pope's upcoming encyclical on the environment has leaked in Italian. My sources tell me that it is the real thing. I have taken the liberty of using an automatic translation program to generate a very rough translation and copied a few excerpts of that translation for the folks here on the forum. I was skimming and trying to copy and paste from a PDF online, which was a little more difficult than the normal copy and pasting, so I had to pick and choose what to copy. Obviously, the official release in English will follow the rules of English grammar and language better, and some word choices may be different. I put a couple things in brackets- those are my own comments or attempts to clarify the translation, not the encyclical itself. When I use brackets with "...", that indicates I skipped down some between the material above and below and that there was stuff in between.

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I'm very pleased.

This reads like a transcript of Al Gore's documentary.

Long live Pope Francis!

Catholic politicians who persist in global climate change denialism are going to have rough sledding ahead as "faith based" candidates. This is all now Catholic doctrine.
 
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I'm looking forward to the official release. This one looks wonderful, but I'll withhold comment until I read the legit copy. I am certain that our Pope will have deep wisdom to share on the moral issue that care for our planet (and by extension the unborn) is.
 
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I am hoping that a decent translation will show that the language used here is conditional: that is, that actions which cause large damage to the Earth's environment would not be in harmony with God's will and so on, rather than saying that our current actions are causing climate change and that they must be stopped because of this. It is very dangerous to tie the teaching of the Church to scientific results, even when they are supported by current evidence and commonly accepted by scientists (since after all, the geocentric models of the solar system did line up with the observations at the time of Galileo, and most scientists of the time did support them as the most likely scientific models because of factors like the apparent lack of stellar parallax).

Here is a column by Bob Kurland which explains my concerns better than I could.
 
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Many of us are anxiously awaiting the pope's encyclical. His only other one was written primarily by Pope Benedict.

However, I will wait for the official translation before commenting, if commenting on encyclicals is really necessary, other than to make sure that we understand the clear teaching of the Church.

I think that it is interesting that the pope has chosen this subject for his first encyclical on his own. Obviously, he considers the subject matter very important.
 
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Moonless Night -
I am not saying anything about your post, but I can confirm that the Pope is speaking indicatively, rather than conditionally. He does make a cautious conditional in paragraph 23 by referring to the need of humanity to "combat this heating-process or, at least, the human causes" that affect it (the appalling translation provided by the robot Bread and Fish used has "combat this heating or, at least, the causes that produce human or accentuates"). I am certified by the University of Siena regarding Italian - for what it's worth.

Bread and Fish -

Most of your post I'll leave alone, with the exception of your final note: "Right to happiness, a Catholic principle! Echoing the Enlightenment and the Declaration of independence!" It is my duty as a philosopher to point out to you that the Enlightenment advocated a limitless notion of human nature (humanity defines itself, without responsibility to exterior forces). That is why, to explain the authority of government, Locke has to invent a myth of the state arising out of every citizen in the state actively delegating their sovereignty and freedom to the state; and for the more existentialist French flavor of democracy, Rousseau invents the General Will - a monad that, for all intents and purposes, is human freedom (thus, to go against the general will of society is to go against human freedom, and the state has the right to protect "human freedom" to the point of putting the dissenter to death).

The Pope is not echoing an Enlightenment-era conception of human freedom or its right to happiness. In the first place, an Enlightenment conception of a right to human happiness would torpedo his entire plea for responsible care of the environment. The human person is happy - thus spake the Enlighted ones - when he is free, and he is free only when he is unrestrained. To place some kind of duty on him such as care of the environment - as though the environment were a person - would be to reduce humanity to a restrained, bounded, and unhappy state. Infatti, the Pope clearly distances himself from any Enlightenment doctrine when, in the first reference in the encyclical to human freedom, he says that social and environmental ills "are caused by the same evil, that is, from the idea that there does not exist indisputable truths that guide our life - that human freedom is unlimited (per cui la libertà umana non ha limiti)."

The concept of happiness which Francis has in mind is one of a boundedness, not an infinite-horizon. Specifically, it is a happiness that lies in the human person's relation to God - which is why the Canticle of the Sun is so highly appropriate. The care for the environment that Francis desires is only in secondary-part for human flourishing (though it is more central then care of the environment as an end-in-itself). More importantly, the Laudato Si is an act of worship to God, signified in all of creation praising Him. In that since, the encyclical is anthro-centric, since the human is the only one who actually and properly praises God.

The only other thing I will say is that you ought to abandon the mystique of having "sources." Sandro Magister is the top vaticanista, but this is probably not the final draft; we'll see on Thursday, but there will likely be some changes and additions.
 
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The only other thing I will say is that you ought to abandon the mystique of having "sources."

I do have sources, actually. I know someone whom I've seen a lengthy thread on here discussing in the past (years ago), for example, a person with his or her own Wikipedia entry, media appearances, etc. (Actually, more than that but if I said anything more, I'd be tipping off who it is or giving people a short list), though that person is not my source for the knowledge that this is probably legit.

I got my copy of the document itself from another link here on the forum, that's not from a source. However, I quickly tossed off an email to someone I know (Not the person alluded to in the prior paragraph) who knows bishops and priests around the globe asking if it was the real thing and got back "I heard from good sources that it is!". So, I guess really in this case, I have a source who has sources. But I trust this person and I know for a fact that he or she does know people who would be positioned to have first hand knowledge.

I really can't use names or be more specific because I wouldn't want to tar anyone by association with me. I also value my privacy and I am sure they value their's.

If you want to take it as a rumor, take it as a rumor.

I'm not the New York Times.

But I'm not inventing sources in my head either.

The official document will be out soon and then no one will have to take anyone's word for it.
 
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Many of us are anxiously awaiting the pope's encyclical. His o

I think that it is interesting that the pope has chosen this subject for his first encyclical on his own. Obviously, he considers the subject matter very important.
 
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I got my copy of the document itself from another link here on the forum, that's not from a source.
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If you want to take it as a rumor, take it as a rumor.

Yes, I would not have linked the document for you on that other thread, if I wasn't confident that it was authentic; that is because Magister - the journalist who published it - is top of the line (ergo he has a reputation to risk; he also lost his press-credentials for publishing it). Magister obtained a copy for the purpose of writing an introduction to it, so it certainly is "the real thing" - but, a copy that is released for journalistic purposes prior to the lifting of the embargo is not likely to be the final draft (otherwise, people could start selling it before its publishing date, which is illegal).

The primary reason you ought to abandon the "sources" thing isn't so much whether or not you know someone who knows someone (the Pontifical Secret in this city means that "you cannot tell more than one person at a time") but because it appears quite silly in juxtaposition with a proclamation to God and country that you had to put it through an automatic word-chopper. If I had to list the problems (not only the obvious grammatical-problems, but also the problems with the meaning of the text) with the cacophony that you've got in the OP, the encyclical would already be published by the time I finish.

Basically, if all your "sources" can do is tell you what is apparent (Magister published the text he really received), only after your unworthy servant Judechild had alerted you to its presence in the first place (and he does not know what possessed him; he regrets having done so), but such sources cannot do more than to leave you to fend for yourself with a translation-robot, then having sources is as meaningful as not having them.

In any case, as fun as this is, I'm afraid I'll be unavailable for another week or so, so the next time we talk about this, the encyclical will be published.
 
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