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Yeah, so, have you ever, like, read a book on ToE that wasn't written by a cdesign proponentsist? Just one?
I just know I'm going to kick myself for this, but please explain how evolution is utterly impossible.
Evolution is based on trial and error over time. When the odds of that process producing life as we know it are contemplated, it adds up to impossible.
What are the odds? Show your work.
I said contemplated, not calculated.
Then how do you know the odds are impossible.
Hint: They aren't.
Sure, if you use the end product as proof of the process. But if you start at the beginning, using trial and error over time, you can't get here from there.
I said contemplated, not calculated. It's actually difficult to even imagine evolution happening.
It's the 'reaction du jour' when one disagrees with another here.
Evolution is based on trial and error over time. When the odds of that process producing life as we know it are contemplated, it adds up to impossible.
I said contemplated, not calculated. It's actually difficult to even imagine evolution happening.
I only put people on Ignore if:
A. They are constantly being insulting/ flaming
B. They are intransigent and do nothing but repeat themselves
C. They are clearly trolling.
All of which are against forum rules of behavior, btw.
I said contemplated, not calculated. It's actually difficult to even imagine evolution happening.
Sure, if you use the end product as proof of the process. But if you start at the beginning, using trial and error over time, you can't get here from there.
Let's say I start driving one day from Fargo, ND and take random left and right turns for 24 hrs. I wind up in Saint Cloud, MN. What are the odds that I would wind up in St. Cloud, by taking random turns? Does that mean it did not happen?
It is very common for creationists to dismiss evolution because they cannot imagine how it can happen. It has nothing to due with actually calculating odds.
Sure, if you use the end product as proof of the process. But if you start at the beginning, using trial and error over time, you can't get here from there.
First a little bit of history on Evolution:
Evolution was a mystical belief system and a Creation story long before it could be claimed to be anything like a scientific theory.
Ancient Greek societies believed in all types of Evolution. They believed the universe arose spontaneously, that life spontaneously generated in the oceans, that the first life was small sea creatures which eventually crawled onto land and developed into more advanced forms.
Much later, influential men would come along and resurrect these belief systems. Before Charles Darwin was even born, his grandfather Erasmus was writing poetry about his mystical beliefs in all forms of Evolution.
Observe a few verses from Erasums Darwin's poems. We have the whole Evolution creation story in here. Spontaneous generation of the universe, spontaneous generation of life from non-life, and organic evolution.
Temple of Nature
Erasmus Darwin - 1803
Impress'd on Nature by the Great First Cause,
Say, Muse! how rose from elemental strife
Organic forms, and kindled into life;
.....
Ere Time began, from flaming Chaos hurl'd
Rose the bright spheres, which form the circling world;
Earths from each sun with quick explosions burst,
And second planets issued from the first.
Then, whilst the sea at their coeval birth,
Surge over surge, involv'd the shoreless earth;
Nurs'd by warm sun-beams in primeval caves
Organic Life began beneath the waves.
....
Hence without parent by spontaneous birth
Rise the first specks of animated earth;
From Nature's womb the plant or insect swims,
And buds or breathes, with microscopic limbs.
....
"Organic Life beneath the shoreless waves
Was born and nurs'd in Ocean's pearly caves;
First forms minute, unseen by spheric glass,
Move on the mud, or pierce the watery mass;
These, as successive generations bloom,
New powers acquire, and larger limbs assume;
Whence countless groups of vegetation spring,
And breathing realms of fin, and feet, and wing.
As we can see, Evolution was a passionate origins belief system well before Charlie began dressing it up in a scientific garb... and the same goes for the "theories" of Big-Bang cosmology and Abiogenesis... Do you think it's just a coincidence that these creation ideas became established dogma decades or centuries after they has been devoutly expressed by those in an early position of power?
Erasmus Darwin, and his ideological successors like Thomas Huxley were part of "learned societies" (Lunar Society, X Club) that held a great deal of influence over the emerging scientific establishments of the 18th and 19th centuries. These societies were built on a commitment to "naturalism" or an Evolutionary worldview.
Put simply, the emergence of Evolutionary thought was not driven by scientific inquiry or scientific evidence. Evolution was going to become the official creation doctrine of the institutions of "science", no matter what.
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