How could I possibly know that? I know Who the Creator was, of course, but I don't know His method.
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No offense but are you saying that you don't know how life was created?
So, you don't need to know where life comes from? Really? This whole theory of evolution depends on life. But, you don't know where it came from?
That doesn't disturb you?
How could I possibly know that? I know Who the Creator was, of course, but I don't know His method.
No. There is overwhelming evidence that, however life came to be, it's been evolving for 3.5 billion years since then. That's actually a much more interesting story than some chemicals forming an autocatalytic reaction.
I thought the tree of life was diputed. When they say it is really more of a bush or hedge they are talking about there being a lot more sideways movement in the passing of genes. So some of the relationships that were used for some of the creatures with vertical passing of genes was shown to be wrong and the links were broken. Some species that were thought to be unrelated and on distant branches were actually more closely connected through their genetics even though they had different ancestral lines. So what this was saying is that HGT was more prevalent than first thought.Tree, bush whatever. It is a bit disgusting when justa misinterprets clear work and tries to make an argument against evolution with it.
I will try to get this across one more time, the idea of a tree can be misleading since there tends to be a clear top to many trees. Or one life over others. The idea of a bush is a bit better since the idea is more of an equal distance from the source. There is only one "bush of life". justa is trying to claim there are several, yet he cannot find one source that shows him several.
So, you don't need to know where life comes from? Really? This whole theory of evolution depends on life. But, you don't know where it came from?
That doesn't disturb you?
I thought the tree of life was diputed. When they say it is really more of a bush or hedge they are talking about there being a lot more sideways movement in the passing of genes. So some of the relationships that were used for some of the creatures with vertical passing of genes was shown to be wrong and the links were broken. Some species that were thought to be unrelated and on distant branches were actually more closely connected through their genetics even though they had different ancestral lines. So what this was saying is that HGT was more prevalent than first thought.
What this was indicating was that evolution was driven more by interactions between species rather than adaptation to their environment.
Interactions between species: Powerful driving force behind evolution? -- ScienceDaily
(PhysOrg.com) -- In On The Origin of Species, Darwin used the image of a tree of life to illustrate how species evolve, one from another. Even today, branches sprouting from lower branches (representing ancestors) is how many people view the evolution of species.
However, for some time, evolutionary biologists have known that the picture is not quite so clear. A recent feature article in New Scientist investigates the current views of biologists - that organisms may pass traits not just to their offspring, but to other living organisms - and suggests that uprooting the tree of life may be the start of a revolutionary change in biology.
Darwin's Tree of Life May Be More Like a Thicket
Genesis 2:7New King James Version (NKJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Genesis 2:21New King James Version (NKJV)
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place.
Does this help? This is how He created life that is in all humans.
Horizontal gene transfer is much more prevalent among unicellular organisms, and does make distinguishing lines of descent more difficult for these species. It is also hypothesized that it was very prevalent among the early forms of life, thus making for more of a pool of earliest common ancestors, rather than a single earliest common ancestor.
Yep, and this is the level of evolution that holds the least interest for creationists.
The part that still follows the old tree of life is still all animal life. And by "animal" I should be more precise and say all Animalia.
"Then Spider Woman made all the plants, the flowers, the bushes, and the trees. Likewise she made the birds and animals, again using earth and singing the Creation Song. When all this was done, she made human beings, using yellow, red, white, and black earth mixed with her saliva. Singing the Creation Song, she made four men, and then in her own form she made four women. At first they had a soft spot in their foreheads, and although it solidified, it left a space through which they could hear the voice of Sotuknang and their Creator. Because these people could not speak, Spider Woman called on Sotuknang, who gave them four languages. His only instructions were for them to respect their Creator and to live in harmony with him." -- Hopi, Four Creations
"On the sea shore, Bor's sons found two logs and made people out of them. One son gave them breath and life, the second son gave them consciousness and movement, and the third gave them faces, speech, hearing, and sight. From this man and woman came all humans thereafter, just as all the gods were descended from the sons of Bor.." --Norse, Odin and Ymir
Creation Stories
Does that help?
That post was to Paul of ... They claim to be a Baptist. Baptists, last I knew, when I attended a Baptist church, believed the Bible to be the word of God.
This was not written to you. That would be idiotic to back my argument with a text that you give no credibility to .
It holds the least interest for creationists until they think they can use it to dispute the twin-nested hierarchy and common descent of all those higher animal species that they do care about (primarily man, of course).
"Then Spider Woman made all the plants, the flowers, the bushes, and the trees. Likewise she made the birds and animals, again using earth and singing the Creation Song. When all this was done, she made human beings, using yellow, red, white, and black earth mixed with her saliva. Singing the Creation Song, she made four men, and then in her own form she made four women. At first they had a soft spot in their foreheads, and although it solidified, it left a space through which they could hear the voice of Sotuknang and their Creator. Because these people could not speak, Spider Woman called on Sotuknang, who gave them four languages. His only instructions were for them to respect their Creator and to live in harmony with him." -- Hopi, Four Creations
"On the sea shore, Bor's sons found two logs and made people out of them. One son gave them breath and life, the second son gave them consciousness and movement, and the third gave them faces, speech, hearing, and sight. From this man and woman came all humans thereafter, just as all the gods were descended from the sons of Bor.." --Norse, Odin and Ymir
Creation Stories
Does that help?
I find it kind of funny when someone thinks humans are animals.
Are you giving evidence that the bible is true? Because right there are many similarities to the bible story which people would have had from Adam. Changed of course as they strayed farther and farther from the real story which was given to Moses to record for Israel.
Are you giving evidence that the bible is true? Because right there are many similarities to the bible story which people would have had from Adam. Changed of course as they strayed farther and farther from the real story which was given to Moses to record for Israel.
I find it kind of funny when someone thinks humans are animals.
I find it kind of funny when someone thinks humans are animals.
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