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Evolution eventually leads to....

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This is your idea of "plastered all over the internet news sites"?

BTW, you never answered vossler's question:
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I suppose when you say things like "Evolution works. It produces results that can be verified" it somehow makes me think you are not a Creationist. Are you telling me that you are a Creationist?

I wonder why you haven't answered this yet. Especailly when you are giving a hard time to "The ID people for the most part deny who they are."
 
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So here proof evolutionist equals athiesm and evolutionist are lying when they say they are not atheist. Miller tries to cover up his atheism what evolutionist really are by changing his biology books "ramdom and undirected process." blah, blah, blah .....

Seem evolutionist are guilty of the same thing. Everyone knows the first amendment is so badly abused.
 
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If you think that is the same thing then I suggest a dictionary. I'm sorry but that is a ridiculous analogy.

Almost every Christian I know accepts evolution in some form or another. Most biologists I know are Christians for instance.

The things that amazes me is that you will not bring yourself to condemn the 'creationist' side no matter what in this issue. Speaks volumes and shows why the ID crowd do it, they have no fear that their followers will care that they lie.
 
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Remus said:
This is your idea of "plastered all over the internet news sites"?

2 weeks ago it was.

BTW, you never answered vossler's question:


I wonder why you haven't answered this yet. Especailly when you are giving a hard time to "The ID people for the most part deny who they are."

I did answer his question, I told him I wasn't TE.
 
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KerrMetric said:
2 weeks ago it was.
Now it's 2 weeks?
It was less than a week ago and it's on a few pro-evolution websites. Of course I would expect some to take this to mean that it was "plastered all over the internet news sites".
Typical
I did answer his question, I told him I wasn't TE.
No, you stated that you weren't TE and then he asked the question. Why don't you answer his question? What are you avoiding here?
 
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Remus said:
Now it's 2 weeks?
It was less than a week ago and it's on a few pro-evolution websites. Of course I would expect some to take this to mean that it was "plastered all over the internet news sites".
Typical

It was on many news sites. That's where I saw it through Google News updates.

No, you stated that you weren't TE and then he asked the question. Why don't you answer his question? What are you avoiding here?

Your attitude is very questionable. Yes I am a Creationist. OEC with some wrinkles.
 
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KerrMetric said:
It was on many news sites. That's where I saw it through Google News updates.
Now it's "many".
Your attitude is very questionable.
My attitude? Perhaps you should read back in some of your own posts before questioning anyone else.
Yes I am a Creationist. OEC with some wrinkles.
Uh huh.
 
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KerrMetric said:
If you think that is the same thing then I suggest a dictionary. I'm sorry but that is a ridiculous analogy.
Even Miller admitted of changing his books because of the religious statement. It's this religious statement is why Kansas schools wants to included ID. The 38 nobel prize winners made the mistake when they wrote to Kansas schools writing "Logically derived from confirmable evidence, evolution is understood to be the result of an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection." These nobel prizes winner didn't realize that Johnson show this to be a religious statement. This is when Miller and other started to reframe themselves from making this comment.
Almost every Christian I know accepts evolution in some form or another. Most biologists I know are Christians for instance.
So?
So in the same way If someone claims to be a creationist but agree with some parts of evolution then in your book they are liars becuase they are evolutionsit too.
The things that amazes me is that you will not bring yourself to condemn the 'creationist' side no matter what in this issue. Speaks volumes and shows why the ID crowd do it, they have no fear that their followers will care that they lie.
I'm not the one going around calling people liars. Glenn Morton used to be a YEC himself then he changed his position. Miller agreed with Johnson about the words "inguided, unplanned" shouldn't be used in textbooks.
Since some like Dembski doesn't beleive in universal common descent means he believe in creationism in the general sense. Well I'm a creationist who also believes in evolution is a general sense of the word. Usually when referring to creationist it meant YEC : 6 day creationist, world wide flood, etc.
 
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Kind of says it all.

Peace.
 
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Shouldn't this be taken to the main Origins Theology?

This originally was meant for here. I did after all start this and know my own intentions. It is Kerrmetric who has decided to make it into a debate.

So, the thread shouldn't be take out to the main Origins, Kerrmetrics problems with creation and ID should, or atleast started in another thread that actually stays on topic.
 
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Agreed that it probably belongs someplace else - BUT it really isn't a debate about evolution/creationism. It's about the main ID group hiding the fact they are Creationists to avoid church/state issues and the laughter YEC's usually get.
 
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KerrMetric said:
Kind of says it all.

Peace.
DI reply:
Now That's said it all.
 
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Critias said:
Maybe you are unaware, but you are the instigator here who keeps egg others on.

It is no excuse if the thread was dead or not. You still derailed it. Please start another thread, thanks!

Mmm. I will desist but you don't own threads Critias even if you start them, nor are you a Moderator. So any poster can basically take your requests with the proverbial pinch of salt.

Peace.
 
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Smidlee said:
DI reply:
Now That's said it all.

Yes it does, LOL. Did you actually read it, LOL. I'm sorry but I'm cracking up at what you obviously missed in that piece.


Peace. I'll leave this thread and start another on this soon.
 
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KerrMetric said:
Yes it does, LOL. Did you actually read it, LOL. I'm sorry but I'm cracking up at what you obviously missed in that piece.


Peace. I'll leave this thread and start another on this soon.
yes, I've read it so what's your point?
 
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