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Evoloution is Just Bad Science

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1. reference on thousands of scientists that reject evolution as impossible. you don't even have to show 25K, just a few K would suffice. where are they?

2. document 1 flaw of evolution so that we can have something substantial to discuss. otherwise the thread is nothing but unsupported assertation and poor understanding of the data.
 
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Wow, you have some great information. Can you provide us a source for this amazing fact? How was it determined? Where is it documented?

Can you name 3 that have abandoned evolution for creationism in the last year? I mean if it is growing daily, that should be easy.
 
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Maybe some of the more diplomatic evos can take turns introducing newbies to the CE board.

Notto, Tomk80, Vance, Gluadys, H2Whoa, Jet Black, Dale Usincognito, michabo,HRE, Sotek I can't think of others who have helped me to understand.

I learn from the less diplomatic here too but I don't take the jibes personally.

Just a thought
 
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Wonderfulcross said:
It's not because I say so. It's a statistic.

And what argument are you refering to?

That creationism has more to stand on than evolution and that more and more scientists are supporting creationism.
 
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There is a book titled,In Six Days. Most of the scientists in there used to be evolutionists.
Dr. James S. Allan-Genetics
Dr. Jobe Martin- not in this book- biologists
Dr. Bob Hoskin-Biochemistry
Dr. Henry Zuill-Biology

you were right, that was easy.
 
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I think you missed the 'in the last year' part. If it is happening almost daily, we should be able to get a few recent converts. Also, any chance of you telling us where you get the 25,000 figure? It is amazing if true. How did you get this information?

Are you sure Jobe Martin is a scientist? I think he is a minister like Chuck.
 
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the book is online at:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/ISD/index.asp
well #1-12 anyhow.

from James Allen at: http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/Area/isd/allan.asp

it is clear that he understands that theology trumps science, not that science is faulty as much as he sees no other way to be true to his faith.

It is also clear that he understands and even believed that evolutionary theory was true, therefore there are only 24999 scientists left to prove your point. *grin*.

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Are you sure Jobe Martin is a scientist? I think he is a minister like Chuck.[/QUOTE]

I have a video of Jobe Martin called Incredible Creatures That Defy Evolution. In there he goes into detail about how he majored in biology and is indeed a scientists. Chuck is like him. He has all of those impressive degrees many will never dream of having, and is still a minister. By the way, I think i got that statistic from Chuck.
 
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Wonderfulcross said:
Are you sure Jobe Martin is a scientist? I think he is a minister like Chuck.

I have a video of Jobe Martin called Incredible Creatures That Defy Evolution. In there he goes into detail about how he majored in biology and is indeed a scientists. Chuck is like him. He has all of those impressive degrees many will never dream of having, and is still a minister. By the way, I think i got that statistic from Chuck. [/QUOTE]

Name a creature that defies evolution.
 
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WonderfulCross in post #46:
<< **Fossil frauds(Lucy, Neanderthal Man Nebraska Man) >>

Who told you that the Neanderthals were a fraud?
You don't seem to understand that science is self correcting, mistakes are ferreted out.


<< *The human body has no vestigial structures. If you would like me to elaborate, please respond.>>

There are lots of them. How about those dooflinkiles at the inside edge of the eyes? The appendix? Aren't fingernails vestigial claws?
 
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Lithium Hobo said:
That creationism has more to stand on than evolution and that more and more scientists are supporting creationism.

First off, there are less scientists supporting Creation than evolution, but the reason being that these new findings are recent and have been pursuading scientists for less time than evolution.

I know that Creationism has the fact that the earth is around 10,000 years old to stand on.

*Everyone knows that the earth's magnetic field is decaying at a rapid rate. When it decays, it transfers to heat. Just 25,000 years ago, at the rate it was decaying, the earth would have been frying at 5,000 degrees.

*There would be way too many humans on the earth if our ancestors started appearing 1-2 millioj years ago. The human birth rate is at 0.6 percent. Combined with the early appearence of our ancestors, there would be about 4 trillion humans on earth.(In Six Days) If we started a few thousand years ago, we would have about 8 billion.

*Salt is entering the sea faster than it is escaping. Scientists estimated the maximum age of the sea is 62 million years old(not enough time for evolution to occur)
*The inventor of Carbon 14 dating, noticed that if the earth were over 30,000 years old, Carbon 14 and carbon 12 would be in a state of equilibrium. They have a 20% discrepency between them.
All of my info. is either from that book, a Scientist Chuck Missler, or the internet.
 
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2. document 1 flaw of evolution so that we can have something substantial to discuss. otherwise the thread is nothing but unsupported assertation and poor understanding of the data.[/QUOTE]

Where would the DNA in the first cell (or any living organism) get the blueprints to construct new structures? DNA only has information that makes the organism function with what it already has. It has been proven that DNA can't obtain foreign information. So where did that information come from?
 
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Funny, Jobe doesn't mention any scientific training or degrees in his bio.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/j_martin.asp

Looks like he went to dental school and seminary. Nothing about biology unless he had it in detnal school which was over 40 years ago.

Chuck as well, doesn't mention any science degrees. Just work with guided missles and business.

http://www.khouse.org/about.html

Can you tell us what those degrees are that they have?
 
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Wonderfulcross said:
*Everyone knows that the earth's magnetic field is decaying at a rapid rate. When it decays, it transfers to heat. Just 25,000 years ago, at the rate it was decaying, the earth would have been frying at 5,000 degrees.
As everyone knows, the tide is rising at a rapid rate. When it rises, land disappears. Just 300 years ago, at the rate it is rising, the earth would have no water at all.
Why stop at a few thousand years? As everyone knows, rabbits can give birth at 3months of age with a litter of 4-12 after a one month gestation period. Based on the number of rabbits we see, the earth can not be more than 100 years old.
 
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There are lots of them. How about those dooflinkiles at the inside edge of the eyes? The appendix? Aren't fingernails vestigial claws?[/QUOTE]

First off, fingernails are nothing like claws. They are in a different position, have a different function(that's right they have a function) and they are not designed like claws. If we let our fingernails grow, they would still not appear like claws or serve the same function(grabing, holding ro prey, tearing prey)

Fingernails protect the skin underneath them(same with toenails). Vestigial structures have no function therefore they are not vestigial.
*The Appendix: creates antibodies, protects the intestines from infections and helps provent the body from getting diseases like blood cancer.
 
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i dont think you understand the central dogma of molecular biochemistry. and i am not sure how to answer such a mistaken notion.

dna is more like a recipe than a blueprint.
it creates an organism over time.
mutations in DNA cause changes in the organism which develops, i have no idea what you mean by foreign information. nor do i understand why information theory is added as another level of complexity to an already daunting subject.

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Can you tell us what those degrees are that they have?[/QUOTE]

In that movie, I know for a fact that he majored in biology and even gives lectures on the subject.

1 animal. Giraffe

heart is 24 pounds and 2.5 feet long. it needs this heart to pump blood to its brain. What happens when the Giraffe bends down to get a drink? The intense pressure on its brain would literally explode. That doesn't happen. The Giraffe has a sponge-like material in between the valve from the heart, and the brain. When it bend down, the material absorbs the blood so it doesn't explode, then slowly releases it so it doesn't passout. If the giraffe didn't have this mechanism from the beginning, it would have died. Therefore, it couldn't have evolved this structure.
 
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