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I am Pagan, therefore I have faith. All religious folk have faith (hence why religions are sometimes called faiths). Christians have faith in various things, Hindus have faith in various other things, and Wiccans have faith in yet other things.Wiccan_Child, if you have faith, why are you a Pagan?
No they dont Christians have faith in Jesus Christ.Christians have faith in various things
Your words were, perhaps unintentionally, misleading: by saying it clearly demonstrates theory A, you implicitly state that it doesn't demonstrate theory B, C, and D.Yet I did not say that was the only 'theory' it clearly demonstrates, did I? I said clearly demonstrates for a reason.
Perhaps, but a clarification is needed: do skyscrapers count as 'natural'?That would probably be more accurate to my responses to your posts, which should, but may not be clear. Do you want to go with that?
Which is a thing. I would also wager that Christians have faith in various other things (the concepts espoused by Christ, the Bible, etc).Dear Wiccan_child,
I agree all except No they dont Christians have faith in Jesus Christ.
Anything manmade or maninfluenced is not natural, as it did not come about without human influence.Your words were, perhaps unintentionally, misleading: by saying it clearly demonstrates theory A, you implicitly state that it doesn't demonstrate theory B, C, and D.
Perhaps, but a clarification is needed: do skyscrapers count as 'natural'?
NONSENSE!Hi EnemyPartyII
Dear EnemyPartyII
No it isnt Christian at all, you are referring to sex again, love isn’t sex, sex may be a part of love, but to love God and love ones neighbour according to the God’s love in the Bible it is not inclusive of all sex, sex is to be within a faithful man/woman union otherwise its not loving God.
Christian view
Well not to nit pick but that isn't compleatly true, is it? I mean there are a lot of people here who have been told they aren't Christians even though they trust in Jesus. Because after the trusting in Jesus comes the "...and His book and the people who head up His Church and the traditions handed down to us the councils decisions about various doctrines so on and so forth. etc. etc.!" to be a Christian.No they dont Christians have faith in Jesus Christ.
Then the entire planet is unnatural: once humans existed on Earth, the entire planet was different. This is most obviously apparent today.Anything manmade or maninfluenced is not natural, as it did not come about without human influence.
I have never said that I find people of the opposite sex repulsive. Please do not put words in my mouth. I love many men; I just am not attracted to them as romantic partners.
Your question makes quite a few assumptions, does it not?
FYI, I adopted my daughter. And I must get her to bed now. Ciao.
To extend your reasoning, using your "design" argument, our genitals are designed to make love in a variety of ways, just as the mouth is designed to act in a variety of ways.
Homosexuality is beneficial to sexually-reproducing social specie. In over 1,500 species, it is present. It is primarily used to reinforce the bonds between same-sex hunter-gatherer groups, nursing groups, birthing groups, warrior groups, scout groups, etc. Indeed, notice that it is rarely, if at all, found in non social species.
Yeah, except one sex is condemned in the Bible and one isn't.NONSENSE!
And quit with this "mine is the Christian view" garbage... MY views are just as Christian as yours.
Homosexuality is no more about sex than heterosexuality is.
Homosexuals in committed loving relationships love each other exactly the same as heterosexuals in committed loving relationships.
so what, we should assume all beahiours are harmful until proved otherwise???
Wiccan child, listen, you don't even believe in Yahwah. With that lack of faith you won't understand Spiritual things, so it is no wonder you lack an understanding about sin.
God designed us so that women and man are made for each other. Just like any kind of thing, man made something more out of it and abused it.
Homosexuality was not part of God's original design even if there is love involved between two people. God did not intend for people to partake in anal sex. We are not designed this way. People were designed to love each other, marry and be fruitful and multiply and serve God in a relationship between a man and a women. And just like in science, opposites attract as if we are two magnets. Two magnets of the same charge do not go together and are not natural. However, one can put them both together if man decides to do it, but naturally they will not. Do you see?
Man wills itself to be homosexual, but naturally that is not how God intended. Proof of that is in the design of our bodies. But Man loves to put a spin on sexuality and love. That was one of Israel's downfalls: putting a spin on love and sex and believing that it was right in the eyes of God.
If you don't believe in God's word, then it is impossible for your to believe in anything. I can tell you what God says in his word, but I can't make you believe his word.explain WHY "God considers homosexuality an abomination" and I might take you seriously... of course, if all you've got is "the Bible SEZ!" you needn't bother
No, just who I am attracted to. Consider Stephen Fry: he is celebate, and does not want to have sex. However, he is attracted to men.
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Except it is not defined in terms of sex. You keep saying it has to do with sex, but you have yet to demonstrate where sex comes into it from the definitions given.[/FONT]
Whoever said anything about sex? Homosexuality and heterosexuality are not, directly, about sex. Monogamous couples within the groups are undeniable strengths: compare this to steel rods vastly improving the strength of concrete.Why does it need to be a sexual bond.
I disagree. The love in a romantic relationship is easier to garner and, in most cases, stronger, than that in platonic relationships. Having just one of these relationships would held create a more cohesive group. Teamwork is vital, after all.Non-sexual intimacy bonds many males in many different groups today (army, football, fighters, business). In fact, it would only actually be useful in a group of 2, where they both happen to have the same desire and happen to find each-other attractive.
Except social mammals can congregate in their thousands.By your own statistics, 2-5% of people have this desire, so in a group of 10 hunter gatherers, they would be lucky to have one, which would defeat the purpose in the first place. Increase it to 100 and you might get one or two pairing off, so where's the benefit. They are more likely to sacrifice anyone else in the group in preference of their favoured one.
In all likelyhood that is the cause of homosexuality: a change in the individual from it's ancestors that cause it to be more affectionate to it's own gender.Unless of course this is actually a mistake, where the non-sexual bond meant to be between a group of men/woman to produce useful things like comradeship and loyalty, gets mixed up with the sexual bond meant to be between a man and a woman to produce useful things like children...
Not necessarily. One doesn't have to be celebate for the sake of celebacy; one can be celebate because of previous traumatic experiances with sex.Although this is bringing the Bible and God in again, I couldn't resist adding, if you are attracted to someone of the same sex, and don't have sex with them it's not a sin. It's just dealing with temptation.
We all have the right to believe whatever we want to believe. But I believe the truth. You don't even know what the truth is, because you do not believe in God's word. I don't care what you say, it is impossible for you or anyone else to say that they believe God, but they don't believe his word. I'm sorry but that is silly. Because he is the word.Being gay is not an abomination against God. You can believe whatever you want about gay people, but those are your beliefs. They are not what God thinks. You are attributing your own anti-gay attitudes to God.
Yes, I speak for God. For I am a mouthpiece for God. As he said his followers should be.You would speak for your god? How arrogant.
And there are laws in the UK and in some US states that do allow same-sex marriage.
Quite frankly, I don't see your point.
Can you demonstrate that it is?
It's worth noting that such a demonstrationg would only be useful to those people who believe in your god. I, along with other non-Christians, would look at it with polite interest, but we would not heed it's advice.
Quite.
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