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1denomination · Apr 23, 2005

Why is it when I say things like this

Ok, here we go again. I belive it is known that I am a YEC, that being said I know I'm already discredited amongst the majority of the readers on here. But, the insinuation that the devil uses me well is quite harsh. Especially considering that I dont teach my belief as religious dogma, and feel that TE's and OEC's have every right to their belief. I am probably what you would call a liberal YEC. I know that in the eyes of science I am wrong, and would not be so arrogant as to think that my interpretation of scripture is flawless.If and when I come across a person who has a problem with creation when I'm witnessing to them, I would gladly offer them the TE/OEC solution. The lord said he would make us fishermen of men, he never said what we could or could'nt use for bait. So I guess what I'm asking here is that when you make these " YEC's are........" statements, you insert a most. God Bless and may all glory be His.

I get replys like this

So, whether or not you think it is harsh, it is real. You yecs are driving people away from the faith. I think the fastest way to atheism is through YEC.

You probably are a liberal YEC. But you are such a minority that the intolerant, unloving YECs, (many of whom have asked me to leave the faith) dominate the discussion and drive people away. You, being a YEC with them, are complicitous. Like it or not.

I absolutely agree with you, may all be to his glory, but being silly and stupid is not to his glory. Ignoring data is not to his glory. Being wrong is not to his glory. But that is what YEC is all about.

Ok now the reason I ask is this.

Christians should simply agree to disagree on the exact interpretation of the HOW and WHEN of Creation and agree to agree joyfully on the WHO and WHY. Doing this in humility and love, and asking our fellow Christians to do the same, will help remove any potential stumbling blocks this issue may cause, and let the more important messages take center stage. Whenever we hear a discussion of Genesis, maybe it will be about God's power and His grace, and not whether God created over six literal days or billions of years.

I have heard it said over and over on these boards and the crevo board that all TE's and OEC's want from YEC's is for us not to think our interpretaion is without error and that you could belive as you felt and still be our brothers/sisters. This is how I feel but when I express that I feel this way I get "well it doesnt matter you are still in league with the devil because you belive YEC"(paraprasing of course) Come on people. Now I'm asking for the same thing you say you are asking for, my right to interpret the way feel is best.If I was to make such allegations, you guys would................well lets just say it wouldn't be pretty. I belive we are all still brothers and sisters here and I ask that we lift eachother up regaurdless of our petty differences. May God bless.

SBG · Apr 23, 2005

Wow. I apologize 1denomination that you have received such harsh words from others. You, and I believe only you publically, have said on these forum as a YEC you would agree to disagree and move on, not arguing against TE/OECs.

1denomination, I have been suspicious that this is not about agreeing to disagree, this is about exterminationg a yec belief. If it was about agreeing to disagree, you would have never received those comments you did. People wouldn't continually be posting how yec is of the devil and a foundation of lies on here. People wouldn't being saying that not only is it bad science, but it is bad theology, hence bad faith.

I can keep quiet on the comments about yec being bad science. But, when I keep seeing the comments being made that it is bad theology and a bad basis for faith, this shows this argument is NOT about agreeing to disagree.

Even if all yec's were to hold their tongues on this forum, and not speak against the tes and oecs, they would still post about yecs being horrible. Is that an objective of one who wants to agree to disagree? Is it the objective to agree to disagree when they tell you are of the devil because of your belief, yet you tell them you have agreed to disagree?

I know your heart is reaching out, hoping to mend and keep solidarity with those who believe differently on this. But many of them don't care that you have agreed to disagree, they want yec gone, period.

Maybe some time away from here and back to that nice forum where you are also a member of, where like minded people talk?

You have acted rightly upon your heart, 1denomination, and you have now seen the true objective of those who first asked you to agree to disagree. You know it is much more than just that. Again, I apologize for how those people treated you when you tried to mend the fence with them.

1denomination · Apr 23, 2005

Thank you SBG. I was hoping some of the TE/OEC's might give me some insight.

1denomination · Apr 23, 2005

Another thing I thought odd was the fact no one ever said anything in my defence. If I was to say these kinds of things against their beliefs I would all but be lynched....................Oh well just a thought.

SBG · Apr 23, 2005

I am surprised you have had over 40 people view this thread, and not one te has anything to say.

1denomination · Apr 23, 2005

SBG said:
I am surprised you have had over 40 people view this thread, and not one te has anything to say.

Yeah its quiet curious isnt it.

People only want to defend acceptance when it is them being trampled on.

bdfoster · Apr 23, 2005

Hi One-D
I must say I havn't seen the replies you are talking about, but I don't doubt it. I have a pitifly small amount of time that I can spend reading and posting on this forum. So I just read and reply to whatever seems most important, or if I think I can contribute. I think it's a breath of fresh air to hear a YEC say that he would "gladly offer them the TE/OEC solution" for an unbeliever who finds YEC unacceptible. I appologize on behlf of TE in general for any offence caused those replies. The responses you recieved sound like typical TE positions and might be appropriately directed at YEC leadership, but not at you. I think there is a world of difference between the rank-and-file YEC who is told by someone in authority that scientific evidence supports YEC, and the person in authority who teaches this. The typical church member, who has not had any science beyond high school, is in a very difficult position, and I have tremendous sympathy for them. They have someone with a Ph.D telling them that evolution is fact, and someone else with a Ph.D telling them that evolution is a lie and it is anti-biblical. I am very good friends with people whose beliefs on origins span the continuum from YEC to TE. But I don't have this same sympathy for people like Duane Gish, Steve Austin, Walt Brown, and most of the YEC leadership. These people should know better, and they have no excuse. They disiminate deliberately misleading information and in some cases bald-faced lies.

Dark_Lite · Apr 23, 2005

Refer to my response in the regular C&E forum...

Vance · Apr 25, 2005

You will note that my response to your comment in the other forum was entirely positive and encouraging. I find the reactions from the others as detrimental to positive movement on this issue as the position by people like SBG, mhess and others on this forum. You and I are on the same page regarding the general approach to this issue, even if we believe entirely different on the details.

Now you know how I feel when I try to make calls for unity and get the responses I do from YEC's.

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