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Well that would be a requirement at some point in the process, wouldn't it? But, I'm more referring to those who give advice but have no qualifications to give such advice... not pointing fingers, just wondering.ok. So by this line of reasoning, are you're indicating that if we are indeed a true prophet of God we'll only "know" this fact after we've prophesied but not before?
Or do you mean something else?
Personally where the concept of prophetic status is concerned, I lean toward the direction of the adage "know before you go ..." But I could be wrong.Well that would be a requirement at some point in the process, wouldn't it?
But, I'm more referring to those who give advice but have no qualifications to give such advice... not pointing fingers, just wondering.
The spirit of prophecy is subject to Prophets. You learn to be prophetic by being around prophetic people and prophetic teaching. If you want to produce prophetic fruit you have to be planted in prophetic soil.Personally where the concept of prophetic status is concerned, I lean toward the direction of the adage "know before you go ..." But I could be wrong.
Sure, I agree. But I'm not giving advice here. I'm questioning.
Secondly, who in the Church is qualified to say that another person isn't qualified to say?
There is a test for a prophet. . .if what he says does or does not occur.The question for this thread is straightforward and simple:
Keeping the concept of Epistemology in mind which has to do with the way(s) we justify our claims of knowledge, how and by what method does a Christian "know" when he or she qualifies as, or has been given the status of, an authentic prophet or prophetess from God ?
There is a test for a prophet. . .if what he says does or does not occur.
The spirit of prophecy is subject to Prophets. You learn to be prophetic by being around prophetic people and prophetic teaching. If you want to produce prophetic fruit you have to be planted in prophetic soil.
Well I guess not. . .that test reveals only false prophets.Ok. So then, if you predict something and it comes to pass then that means you're a prophet?
Well I guess not, that test reveals only false prophets.
Picky, picky. . .
Do I get a gold star for such penetrating insight?No one has mentioned 'false prophets' in relation to epistemology yet in this thread. But now that you bring it up...
Do I get a gold star for such penetrating insight?
Post #4?
Not exactly.Ok. In my attempt to understand what you're saying, I'm thinking that if I want to become a prophet I don't have to wait for God to show up in person and authorize me to be His prophet. Instead, I can simply hang out with those Christians who are already prophets and then I, too, can become a prophet. Is this right?
Picky. . .picky. . .Yes, in a way it's alluded to in post #4. But he didn't actually use the qualifier 'false'; and even if he did refer to inauthentic prophesying, it wasn't inferred in relation to one's own, personal epistemology.
Not exactly.
1) God should call you to the office personally in some way.
2) Being called is not the same as being commissioned.
3) Connecting with a prophetic ministry will help train you and grow you and IF you are truly called to the office other prophetic or apostolic voices will eventually confirm what you heard in #1 and commission you.
Note: #3 can look very different from person to person and ministry to ministry.
Picky. . .picky. . .
Samuel and Elisha are good examples. All of the original Apostles and Paul as well.I've never seen the distinction between being called to be a prophet and being commissioned, but it certainly has parallels in some traditional models of ordination. Do you think there are scriptural models of prophets that fit the distinction? Who might be one? Jeremiah, maybe?
That's an excellent point, topher! But at the same time, I'm more concerned with how individuals today who claim to know that he/she is a modern prophet of the Lord mentally structure epistemologically what they claim to be certain about.
No they didn't. This was the test for a false prophet in one specific situation that came through a specific prophetic word from an established prophet. The rest of the OT did not follow that pattern.The Hebrew community of the Old Testament judged prophets retrospectively by determining whether their prophecies came to pass. That's actually a pretty helpful and concrete criterion, at least if you have time to observe the validation of the prophecy.
No they didn't. This was the test for a false prophet in one specific situation that came through a specific prophetic word from an established prophet. The rest of the OT did not follow that pattern.
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