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I would say so did Saul/Paul.
Afterall, he was not a witness to the crucifixion, resurrection and ascension of Jesus as far as I know of, but he quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures numerous times in his Epistles
What an event that was!!!I thought Paul first 'experienced' Christ on the road to Damascus ... before he used scripture in an understanding apparently unlike his understanding of scripture before his blinding ...
Why do you continue to perverse and purposely distort the Catholic Church's view on scripture?
Seriously can you actually fess up as to why? And please do not give a song and dance routine and cherry pick etc.
What is you overall motive here? You come here with you phoney "I agree with 98% of the Catholic Church Doctrine and love and hold them with much and great respect" non sense but day in and day you continue to purposley alter and purposly take things out of their context and put it into yours.
So please come out from behind the curtain and tell us what exactly is your overall motive. And again please do not give us you disguise you have been useing.
And your use of double standards is quite tiresome as well. the LCMS view and interpretation is for the LCMS Alone by the LCMS ALONE and interpreted by the LCMS Alone, Fact pure and simple FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks.
I like the "Victories" described in the book of Joshua which I can also view in the jewish/hebrew book of Revelation concerning that "Great City"I think, given the opportunistic use of a distorted understanding in order to claim a score of personal (patronizing) victory in this thread, it best not to participate here.
Lord have mercy +
I'm glad to hear that the EO also embraces Sola Scriptura.
What I was taught in the RCC (and I well know the EO and CC disagree on much) is this, "The canon in the Church is not limited to the Canon of Scripture." Thus, in the RCC, the Canon of Scripture is NOT the canon for the church. The canon for the Church in the CC is "the three-legged-stool" of:
1. The Tradition of the CC as currently defined, determined and interpreted by the CC. This is always listed first and given primary emphasis.
2. The Scripture NOT in any tome or document but "in the heart of the CC" as interpreted by the CC alone to conform with the teachings of the CC.
3. The Magisterium of the CC - its rulings, decisions, interpretations and arbitrations.
These THREE things form ONE united "stream" that must be viewed in full agreement with each other since God cannot contradict Himself, thus the Scripture in the heart of the RCC as interpreted by the RCC MUST agree with the Tradition of the RCC, etc.
I'm glad to hear the EO rather embraces the Canon of Scripture as the canon for the church. That IS Sola Scriptura. Interesting you call it, "
Brilliant."
What portions has he rejected? Just curiousNo, we were there and established the canon. That you upstarts rejected earlier fanciful notions of the Reformers, and spun the term to mean something that already had a name- well, that's just peachy.
That you purport to embrace canon- at least wrt to scriptures (which you don't, your canon is six stacks short of load)- well, welcome home to a slice of orthodoxy.
I Know that you reject canon, as I stated above. So what's new?
The canon of scripture is beyond brilliant, it's God-breathed. The canon for the Church is Holy Tradition as we have received it- including the measure of that which shall be called scripture.
That you reject portions of scripture, as well as the remaining canon- well, that's why you're a cafeteria Lutheran.
No,Josiah said:Rdr Iakovos said:"Weak arguments," indeed. How can we argue against the notion that scripture is the rule? That is the meaning of the word canon. So you have come around to the notion that canon is canon. Brilliant.
I'm glad to hear that the EO also embraces Sola Scriptura.
The canon for the Church is Holy Tradition as we have received it
So, which is your canon? Scripture as you posted earlier or "Tradition" as understood by your denomination?
So, which is your canon? Scripture as you posted earlier or "Tradition" as understood by your denomination? Or, like the RCC, is it equally: The Tradition of the denomination + Scripture as the denomination interprets + the Leadership of the denomination (its own decisions, rulings, interpretations, arbitrations) all equally (the RCC/LDS canon) or something else?
That would also apply to Catholicism correct as they also use Pratristic Tradition if I am not mistakenFor us Scripture IS Tradition, they are inseparable. How the Scripture is interpreted also must agree with Patristic Tradition so we have a long, established history.
Hmmm that is interesting. Not that I follow any of Calvin's or Luther's writings much.Calvin believed Christ had no siblings, according to Sola Scriptura, Calvinists believe that Christ had siblings again according to Sola Scriptura. Now this is applying the exact same process but producing exactly polar opposite results therefore making it an inconsistent and self defeating process of acquiring knowledge from Scripture.
Since Holy Scriptures are an honored part of our Holy Tradition, Sola Scripture cannot be valid.
Our other Holy Traditions include:
The Divine Liturgy which has been established by Christ Himself
Our Holy Services: Vespers, etc. which are derived from the Hebrew Worship and their reading of the psalms and Torah
Our Holy Mysteries (Baptism, Chrismation, Holy Confession, Holy Eucharist, Holy Orders, Holy Crowning, Tonsuring of Monastics, Holy Unction, Funeral Service) which were ordained by Christ Himself.
Our Byzantine Chant which is derived from the Hebrew Temple Worship
Our Temple Architecture which comes from the Jewish Temples. (Incidentally several people have said that if you take away the icons in our temples, you can see the similarity between the E.O. Temples and the Jewish Temples.)
I can be so bold to say that if you continue to attack the Eastern Orthodox Church and her Holy Services (which are part of our Holy Tradition) then you are crossing the line to becoming Anti-Semitic since our roots are Semitic.
lionroar0 said:Delete some else's belives insert CJ'S.
Rdr Iakovos said:How can we argue against the notion that scripture is the rule? That is the meaning of the word canon. Brilliant.
Rdr Iakovos said:The canon for the Church is Holy Tradition as we have received it
cj said:So, according to Rdr Iakovos, the Rule/canon/norma normans is Scripture. That is Sola Scriptura.
That is another fallacy of logic, CJ.
Repeating a false statement will not make it true.Hitler tried that too.
You didn't post what statement I made that is a Hitlarian "fallacy of logic."
Or what statement I made that is "false."
Comparing one to Hitler and accusing of lying, while possibly emotionally powerful, just doesn't add much to the conversation or contribute anything to understanding?
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