"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

JasonClark · Jun 21, 2015

AV1611VET said:
Then I'll take this:... with a grain of salt.

Present? not as many as you would like to think.
Was a suggestion that there are not as many Christians in the world as you would like to think.

They say they are Christians but are they? some people (perhaps quite a few) just nod to keep the peace, because some Christian communities are not as loving of unbelievers as there scriptures suggest they should be, they would ostracized anyone who dared to say they didn't believe and get their children to bully the unbelievers children. (in a loving way of course)
There are perhaps millions of "Christians" in the US who just sit in church and keep their opinions to themselves to protect their families or their jobs.
(free speech? free country?)

AV1611VET · Jun 21, 2015

KTS said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/one.in.50.clergy.dont.believe.in.god/42082.htm

Christian atheism is a contradiction in terms.

AV1611VET · Jun 21, 2015

JasonClark said:
Present? not as many as you would like to think.
Was a suggestion that there are not as many Christians in the world as you would like to think.

They say they are Christians but are they? some people (perhaps quite a few) just nod to keep the peace, because some Christian communities are not as loving of unbelievers as there scriptures suggest they should be, they would ostracized anyone who dared to say they didn't believe and get their children to bully the unbelievers children. (in a loving way of course)
There are perhaps millions of "Christians" in the US who just sit in church and keep their opinions to themselves to protect their families or their jobs.
(free speech? free country?)

But if you were to ask these "Christians," I'm sure they would say: IN THE BEGINNING GOD.

Doveaman · Jun 21, 2015

Subduction Zone said:
Once again I requested a peer reviewed paper. That paper was no peer reviewed. When they try to slip that past peer review it is pointed out that the redshift observed in plasma is frequency dependent.

You and I both know that anything that threatens their Big Bang ideology doesn't get a passing grade.

Do you realize why that means that you failed?

Nope, all it means is that this is another example of how bias peer-review is. I'm sure it was reviewed by a Big Bang supporter rather than actual plasma physicists who actually understands plasma physics.

But enough with your distraction tactics, you still haven't demonstrated how empty space can expand. Until you can do that, I will simply conclude you are lying.

Subduction Zone said:
You are the one that keeps claiming a mythical altered state.

The irony.

JasonClark · Jun 21, 2015

AV1611VET said:
But if you were to ask these "Christians," I'm sure they would say: IN THE BEGINNING GOD.

Of course they would because they want you to think they are Christians, that's exactly what I am saying, they do not want to rock the boat.
They know what would happen to them and their families if they dared to tell people how they really felt.

AV1611VET · Jun 21, 2015

JasonClark said:
Of course they would because they want you to think they are Christians, that's exactly what I am saying, they do not want to rock the boat.
They know what would happen to them and their families if they dared to tell people how they really felt.

Jason, let's say there's a group of 100 people.

Of those 100, 80 profess to be Christians; and those 80 profess to believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.

Later, 10% of those 80 admit they really aren't Chritians and don't believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.

Question: What percentage of Christians in that group believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD?

I contend it is still 100%.

What say you?

TLK Valentine · Jun 21, 2015

AV1611VET said:
Jason, let's say there's a group of 100 people.

Of those 100, 80 profess to be Christians; and those 80 profess to believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.

Later, 10% of those 80 admit they really aren't Chritians and don't believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.

Question: What percentage of Christians in that group believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD?

I contend it is still 100%.

What say you?

I say you're pretty desperate to cook the books.

JasonClark · Jun 21, 2015

AV1611VET said:
Jason, let's say there's a group of 100 people.

Of those 100, 80 profess to be Christians; and those 80 profess to believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.

Later, 10% of those 80 admit they really aren't Chritians and don't believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.

Question: What percentage of Christians in that group believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD?

I contend it is still 100%.

What say you?

You use mental gymnastics to convince yourself there's a God? then it's worse than I thought.
Tricking others is one thing but tricking yourself, that's downright frightening.

AV1611VET · Jun 21, 2015

JasonClark said:
You use mental gymnastics to convince yourself there's a God? then it's worse than I thought.
Tricking others is one thing but tricking yourself, that's downright frightening.

Be that as it may (and it isn't), 100% of Christians believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.

JasonClark · Jun 21, 2015

AV1611VET said:
Be that as it may (and it isn't), 100% of Christians believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.

It is and you are still tricking yourself.

Did Walt Disney play a big part in your life when you were growing up?

Nic Samojluk · Jun 21, 2015

Loudmouth said:
No evidence has been presented. Science can only consider evidence that does exist, not evidence that only exists in your head.

You want real evidence? Consider the following. Watch the video and tell me what you think!

Nic Samojluk · Jun 21, 2015

Astrophile said:
In particular, cosmologists have known for a long time that the redshifts of galaxies and quasars do not mean that these objects are rushing through space at high speeds; instead they are a consequence of the expansion of space.

We have some experts proposing an alternative explanation for what we observe:

New Theory: The Universe Isn't Expanding, It's Just Gaining Mass

“One cosmologist is proposing that the universe isn't actually expanding, as the standard theory goes. Instead, the redshift effects astronomers see could mean that everything is just gaining more mass …”

Ref.: http://www.popsci.com/science/artic...universe-isnt-expanding-its-just-gaining-mass

Nic Samojluk · Jun 21, 2015

HitchSlap said:
Modern cameras are designed much better.

Since you do not believe in a Creator God, I am not surprised by your answer. But the one who will eventually be surprised is you!

Nic Samojluk · Jun 21, 2015

Paul of Eugene OR said:
As an alternate interpretation, in order to account for the exact same observations, astronomers sometimes suggest that space itself is expanding, and therefore distant galaxies actually travel faster than light but the light is dragged along with them by the expanding space and as it comes to us it is stretched but carried over to us at local light speed all along the way.

Do you know what is really expanding? Experts' imagination and the gullibility of those who rely on their science fiction.

Nic Samojluk · Jun 21, 2015

Loudmouth said:
The squid eye is designed much better.

Would you accept a squid’s eye transplant?

Nic Samojluk · Jun 21, 2015

Loudmouth said:
All you did was make the assertion that it did without ever demonstrating that it did.

I am waiting for you to open your eyes!

Mr Strawberry · Jun 21, 2015

Nic Samojluk said:
I am waiting for you to open your eyes!

Has it ever occurred to you that you may be the one who is seeing less?

Nic Samojluk · Jun 21, 2015

Subduction Zone said:
By the standards of any thinking person.

“Cogito, ergo sum!”

Mr Strawberry · Jun 21, 2015

Nic Samojluk · Jun 21, 2015

Subduction Zone said:
That is the dictionary definition. It is also the wrong definition. Since we are having a scientific debate you need to use the scientific definition of theory. Try again. The definition of a scientific theory is much more stringent.

I know that, but I found no prohibition against using standard dictionary definitions in this thread. If you don’t like the way I talk, please ignore my comments from now on! And post the following warning: “Only trained scientists allowed to post comments!

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