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Can you name me one Christian in the present that does not believe it?Present? not as many as you would like to think.
Even if that happens, Islams believe: IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.Islam will be the next cause for concern for people in the future.
Bear in mind I'm not denying expansion due to the Doppler effect (the motion of objects through space relative to us), but the expansion of the space itself is in the realm of magic.
All you need to show now is the cause/effect relationship between the results from those tests and the expansion of empty space.
Good luck.
[VERSE=Romans 10:17,KJV]So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.[/VERSE][VERSE=1 Thessalonians 2:13,KJV]For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.[/VERSE]
But that would be foolishness on your part. The Bible is not a book of science. It was never meant to be. It has no explanation for how life got to its present state, much less of the universe itself.We don't need an explanation. We already know the explanation -- it's all over the internet. If I wanted to place my faith in an explanation I would read the Bible.
What we need is the observation that confirms the explanation without the need for circular reasoning (like we see space expansion because we see redshift, and we see redshift because we see space expansion).
If the empty space between two objects is observed to expand, then show us that observation and the cause/effect relationship between that observation and redshift, and enough with the make-belief stories.
Yes, plasma can redshift light. The problem is that this redshifting is frequency dependent and does not match the observed redshifting of the universe. And that is not exactly a peer reviewed paper. That is an open source outlet. So you failed twice using that claim.
Bear in mind I'm not denying expansion due to the Doppler effect (the motion of objects through space relative to us), but the expansion of the space itself is in the realm of magic.
All you need to show now is the cause/effect relationship between the results from those tests and the expansion of empty space.
Good luck.
Oh please, if anyone is making "godless chirping" it is you. Your beliefs are not supported by either the Bible or by science. Your beliefs have been show to be wrong using Scripture. You were defeated by me long ago. You probably have not made one valid post in years here.
My belief is simply that the models of science are firmly based on the belief and assumption that current nature reflects the past. You cannot dispute that. It screams out like a wounded barnyard owl. As for the past in future in the bible, it is obvious they are different than now. That is a no brainer. All one needs is honesty. Cut the godless chirps.
Science cannot support ANY past state. Cut the chirping on and on, and deal with that reality. The bible does indicate major differences, so I am not sure why you pretend to have some bible case against it, you sure don't. On all fronts, you lose.And yet you cannot support your "alternate past" with either the Bible or science. You still have less than nothing.
How would I know a real Christian from a not so real Christian, can you tell them apart?Can you name me one Christian in the present that does not believe it?Even if that happens, Islams believe: IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.
Science cannot support ANY past state. Cut the chirping on and on, and deal with that reality. The bible does indicate major differences, so I am not sure why you pretend to have some bible case against it, you sure don't. On all fronts, you lose.
Altered states?? I would think that heaven and Eden were normal, we are in an altered state.Sure it can. You have almost no understanding of science so you are naturally wrong. And no, the Bible says nothing about "altered states".
You are the one that keeps claiming a mythical altered state. We know that there was no Eden. Who knows about whether there is an actual heaven or not. I don't think anyone would trust your interpretation of the Bible.Altered states?? I would think that heaven and Eden were normal, we are in an altered state.
I don't call the created nature that, sorry.You are the one that keeps claiming a mythical altered state.
We know that there was no Eden.
Jesus. Paul. John' Ezekiel. Isaiah. Daniel...etc.Who knows about whether there is an actual heaven or not.
Then I'll take this:How would I know a real Christian from a not so real Christian, can you tell them apart?
... with a grain of salt.Present? not as many as you would like to think.
But yet I'm suppose to believe that something that isn't a real thing can expand.Oh, the expansion of space is no more magic than the existence of space. Space isn't a real thing.
Therefore your space expansion trick is unnecessary.Yes, plasma can redshift light.
Yeah right.The problem is that this redshifting is frequency dependent and does not match the observed redshifting of the universe.
It's an acceptable scientific source that even you accept.And that is not exactly a peer reviewed paper. That is an open source outlet. So you failed twice using that claim.
Therefore your space expansion trick is unnecessary.
Yeah right.
When it doesn't fit, just ignore it or discard it:
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401420
"The plasma redshift explains the observed magnitude-redshift relation for supernovae SNe Ia without the big bang, dark matter, or dark energy. There is no cosmic time dilation. The universe is not expanding...This means that there is no need for Einstein's Lambda term. The universe is quasi-static, infinite, and everlasting."
It's an acceptable scientific source that even you accept.
I don't call the created nature that, sorry.
Sure you do. Even making such a stupid claim shows that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Jesus. Paul. John' Ezekiel. Isaiah. Daniel...etc.
Can you name me one Christian in the present that does not believe it?
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