The fact that he didn't counter that many Christians on the forum.
I don't not agree with interpretations that are balantly wrong.
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The fact that he didn't counter that many Christians on the forum.Again -- how do you know?
I don't not agree with interpretations that are balantly wrong.And do you agree with their interpretations?
I'll go ahead and take your point with a grain of salt, and won't bother pressing you for an answer.Strange then that so few Christians on this board agree with your interpretations of the bible.
And do you agree with their interpretations?
My own view is that the old testament is a mixture of myths, legends and folk history. So, yes, pretty much in line with Church of England interpretations.
I find it ironic that many of us take your points with a grain of salt.I'll go ahead and take your point with a grain of salt.
I'll go ahead and take your point with a grain of salt, and won't bother pressing you for an answer.
Nonsensical = In conflict with reality, or what makes sense.How would you know I'm 'adding nonsensical stuff to it'?
One sect's "basic doctrine" is another's heresy. That is why i personally do not find "basic doctrine" to be a convincing argument.As I showed earlier,* you guys wouldn't recognize basic doctrine, even when I tell you whose doctrine it is.
Not everything, just stuff that is made up from thin air with no basis in reality. Stuff like, "The flood waters were sent to Neptune to warn off bad angels," or "the core of the planet is made of spiritual matter, so we cannot understand anything about it."So everything must seem like nonsensical stuff to you guys, eh?
Not when it comes to stuff that conflicts with reality, no.It's just a matter of degrees, isn't it?
Since embedded age is maturity without history, the best answer to this is that you have maturity without history.
Maturity with history is Omphalism.
Planets, moons and stars all appearing fully mature, but not by the process of accretion or accelerated accretion.
In reality, He took six days on purpose, so as to give us a template for the workweek.
He could have just spoken the entire universe into existence, fully up and running, in less than a picosecond
Earth went through a period of being inhabited by a race of human-angel hybrids; and some families even consisted of hybrid children having human mothers and angel fathers.
Wars and disputes between super-powerful empires could have been on a cosmic scale, producing massive scarring on the earth's surface, that even the Flood didn't erase.
I'm with the Gap theorists on this one.
Well, I see I'll have to get my Scofield Reference Bible out and type his notes yet again.Huh? And which day of creation did all this occur on?
How can you agree with a theory that states that the earth is older than the Bible implies and then adhere to a literal interpretation of Gen 1? And that states there was a gap in the creation period, despite there being no biblical evidence whatsoever to support it!
There you go, gentlemen -- basic Gap theory doctrine.Jeremiah 4: 23-26, Isaiah 24:1 and 45:18, clearly indicate that the earth had undergone a cataclysmic change as the result of a divine judgment. The face of the earth bears everywhere the marks of such a catastrophe. There are not wanting intimations which connect it with a previous testing and fall of angels. See Ezekiel 28:12-15 and Isaiah 14:9-14, which certainly go beyond the kings of Tyre and Babylon.
Care to amend this statement?And that states there was a gap in the creation period, despite there being no biblical evidence whatsoever to support it!
The Bible says: "In the Beginning" Science confirms that there was a beginning. Science talks about "Adam" & "Eve" this confirms that there was a common ancestor. I can give you many, many, many examples of where Science confirms that the Bible is true.
People search long and people search hard to try and find something in the Bible that is not accurate and true. For the most part, they have failed to find anything in the Bible that is not true. Science and the Bible work and in hand to confirm each other.
There is nothing that says Genesis is not accurate. What science falsifys is some of the traditions and some of the popular misconceptions or misinterpretations of the Bible. That is why I say, Science helps us to better understand out Bible. If it were not for science we may never have known that some of our traditional interpretations of the Bible are wrong.
Here's a post from the past -- just FYI:
Haven't been following the thread, have you?I must say AVET, you have gone very quickly from an "Embedded Age Creationist" who wanted very much to be a YEC, to a Gap Creationist. I predict you'll be an OEC in no time!
Haven't been following the thread, have you?
I'm sure he probably went over this with you guys a k times; but it's not like we don't know how to repeat ourselves:
Jeremiah 4: 23-26, Isaiah 24:1 and 45:18, clearly indicate that the earth had undergone a cataclysmic change as the result of a divine judgment. The face of the earth bears everywhere the marks of such a catastrophe. There are not wanting intimations which connect it with a previous testing and fall of angels. See Ezekiel 28:12-15 and Isaiah 14:9-14, which certainly go beyond the kings of Tyre and Babylon.
Jeremiah 4:23-26 said:4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Isaiah 24:1 said:24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
Isaiah 45:18 said:45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Ezekiel 28:12-15 said:28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Isaiah 14:9-14 said:14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Care to amend this statement?
John R7 said:The Bible says: "In the Beginning" Science confirms that there was a beginning.
Science talks about "Adam" & "Eve" this confirms that there was a common ancestor.
I can give you many, many, many examples of where Science confirms that the Bible is true.
People search long and people search hard to try and find something in the Bible that is not accurate and true. For the most part, they have failed to find anything in the Bible that is not true. Science and the Bible work and in hand to confirm each other.
[/QUOTE]There is nothing that says Genesis is not accurate. What science falsifys is some of the traditions and some of the popular misconceptions or misinterpretations of the Bible. That is why I say, Science helps us to better understand out Bible. If it were not for science we may never have known that some of our traditional interpretations of the Bible are wrong.
Let's not.Let's have a look at these passages shall we?
Oh, man! That stung!AV you are beginning to sound like a scientist now
Let's not.
My point in showing this was not to propagate the Gap theory -- (I don't believe in it, myself) -- but to simply show that I didn't make it up.
QV please: 71
Earth went through a period of being inhabited by a race of human-angel hybrids; and some families even consisted of hybrid children having human mothers and angel fathers.
Wars and disputes between super-powerful empires could have been on a cosmic scale, producing massive scarring on the earth's surface, that even the Flood didn't erase.
I'm with the Gap theorists on this one.
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