Ellen White on the Sabbath

MoreCoffee · Oct 4, 2012

LittleLambofJesus said:
Even birds needs a place to nest

Matthew 8:20 And Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes, and birds of the air [have] nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay [His] head

Are you a Seventh Day Adventist yourself, LittleLambofJesus?

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 4, 2012

MoreCoffee said:
Are you a Seventh Day Adventist yourself, LittleLambofJesus?

Nope. I am also not RC.
Just a humble Christian in Jesus that follows the Chief Shepherd where ever He leads me.....

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MoreCoffee · Oct 4, 2012

LittleLambofJesus said:
Nope. I am also not RC.
Just a humble Christian in Jesus that follows the Chief Shepherd where ever He leads me.....

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Humble?

I get to wondering, sometimes, what the "searching" and the "christian" icons really mean under the cover.

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 4, 2012

MoreCoffee said:
Humble?

I get to wondering, sometimes, what the "searching" and the "christian" icons really mean under the cover.

Me too, sometimes

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MoreCoffee · Oct 4, 2012

If it was right for David to satisfy his hunger by eating of the bread that had been set apart to a holy use, then it was right for the disciples to supply their need by plucking the grain upon the sacred hours of the Sabbath. Again, the priests in the temple performed greater labor on the Sabbath than upon other days. The same labor in secular business would be sinful; but the work of the priests was in the service of God. They were performing those rites that pointed to the redeeming power of Christ, and their labor was in harmony with the object of the Sabbath. But now Christ Himself had come. The disciples, in doing the work of Christ, were engaged in God's service, and that which was necessary for the accomplishment of this work it was right to do on the Sabbath day.
Christ would teach His disciples and His enemies that the service of God is first of all. The object of God's work in this world is the redemption of man; therefore that which is necessary to be done on the Sabbath in the accomplishment of this work is in accord with the Sabbath law. Jesus then crowned His argument by declaring Himself the "Lord of the Sabbath,"--One above all question and above all law. This infinite Judge acquits the disciples of blame, appealing to the very statutes they are accused of violating.

Ellen White continues with the stories of the grain field and the men with the withered hand, both happened on a 7th day rest (sabbath). The interesting thing here is that Ellen White both manages to get the meaning of the stories and to also miss it. She understands that Jesus is the Lord even of the 7th day (rest) sabbath while at the same time she failed to grasp that his Lordship extends to his people too. Just as Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath so too his faithful people, through union with him, are lords of the sabbath and just as Jesus is "One above all question and above all law" so too are his faithful people. Paul recognised this when he wrote:

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:6-16

Ellen White managed to see that Jesus was Lord but failed to see that we are - by the terms of the new covenant - united with Christ in his death (to sin) his resurrection (to new and eternal life) and to access to the holy of holies through the new and better way that is Christ. It is because of these things that Paul writes as he did in the above quoted passage from 1 Corinthians. It is for the same reason that Paul writes:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. Colossians 2:16-23

RisingSpirit · Oct 5, 2012

LittleLambofJesus said:
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But God is also producing a book a book containing a message of life. For the past two millenniums God, by His Holy Spirit, has been writing portions of this Book in the minds and hearts of His people.

Also the "Clear word " Bible has many mistranslations and should not be bought at book stores no matter how many they have.

The SDA Clear Water Bible EXPOSED

RisingSpirit · Oct 5, 2012

mmksparbud said:
Opened a spirit gateway???-..

In some case, traumas awakens the Kundilini energies that allows for extra sensory perceptions.

RisingSpirit · Oct 5, 2012

mmksparbud said:
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Those that worship on Sunday to not have the mark of the devil--she did not say that--when talking about the mark of the beast,....

The sign of the Beast. In other words Sundytarians worships the Pope that changed the sabbath days. Those that worship on Sabbath day on Saturday have the sign of God or obedient to the old laws. Any way the SDA are lost on the laws in the Bible.

Stryder06 · Oct 5, 2012

I love how much publicity Sr White gets around here. It's really amazing.

Stryder06 · Oct 5, 2012

MoreCoffee said:
Ellen White managed to see that Jesus was Lord but failed to see that we are - by the terms of the new covenant

Would you be able to point out where the terms of the NC are listed?

MoreCoffee · Oct 6, 2012

Stryder06 said:
I love how much publicity Sr White gets around here. It's really amazing.

Your comment is much appreciated.

MoreCoffee · Oct 6, 2012

Stryder06 said:
Would you be able to point out where the terms of the NC are listed?

Have you read about the gospel that saint Paul preached; the one he heard from the Lord? That is the new covenant and both the Lord (in the gospels) and saint Paul in his letters describes the terms. If you read Ephesians or Romans you will get a fair amount of the new covenant description, but just as the old covenant took the five books attributed to Moses to expresss so too the new covenant takes the four gospels to express and the letters of the saints in the new testament help to flesh out some of the details. I commend them all to you as precious jewels of truth that can shed light in one's heart and soul.

RisingSpirit · Oct 6, 2012

Stryder06 said:
I love how much publicity Sr White gets around here. It's really amazing.

Lucifer loves it too !

Elder 111 · Oct 6, 2012

RisingSpirit said:
Lucifer loves it too !

I don't think so.

MoreCoffee · Oct 6, 2012

Ellen White's chapter on The Sabbath in her book THE DESIRE OF AGES is indeed getting some publicity in this thread and a good deal of analysis. In the process the errors in her teaching about the 7th day are also getting some exposure. This is all for the good. It is all for the advancement of the gospel when error is exposed and truth is told.

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 6, 2012

MoreCoffee said:
Ellen White's chapter on The Sabbath in her book THE DESIRE OF AGES is indeed getting some publicity in this thread and a good deal of analysis. In the process the errors in her teaching about the 7th day are also getting some exposure. This is all for the good. It is all for the advancement of the gospel when error is exposed and truth is told.

Sometimes, ya just can't teach an ole wino new tricks..

Luke 7:38 "But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins.
"And no one, after drinking old wine wishes for new; for he says, 'the old is good enough'

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MoreCoffee · Oct 6, 2012

Is it time for the next paragraph?

MoreCoffee · Oct 7, 2012

Christ would teach His disciples and His enemies that the service of God is first of all. The object of God's work in this world is the redemption of man; therefore that which is necessary to be done on the Sabbath in the accomplishment of this work is in accord with the Sabbath law. Jesus then crowned His argument by declaring Himself the "Lord of the Sabbath,"--One above all question and above all law. This infinite Judge acquits the disciples of blame, appealing to the very statutes they are accused of violating.

Jesus did not let the matter pass with administering a rebuke to His enemies. He declared that in their blindness they had mistaken the object of the Sabbath. He said, "If ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless." Matt. 12:7. Their many heartless rites could not supply the lack of that truthful integrity and tender love which will ever characterize the true worshipper of God.

Ellen White continues her narrative with an occasional imaginary touch here and there to embellish the - rather more simple and more credible - biblical narrative from Matthew 12:1-14.

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue: And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other. Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
Matthew 12:1-14

Ellen White makes a couple of assertions that are interesting. First she says "The object of God's work in this world is the redemption of man; therefore that which is necessary to be done on the Sabbath in the accomplishment of this work is in accord with the Sabbath law" and then she says of Jesus that he is "One above all question and above all law".

It is obvious to every christian that what Jesus did and said was always "in accord with" the law because he was Missiah come to fulfil the law and so to redeem his people from the power of sin and death. Now, we know that the strength of death is in the law and that by works of the law shall no flesh be justified and one hopes that Ellen White also knew and taught these things. But when she asserts that Jesus is "One above all question and above all law" one must pause for a while and consider if she is speaking of Jesus as God - because God is indeed above all laws - or if she was still speaking of Jesus as Messiah. If she were thinking of the latter then she would be misunderstanding the meaning of messiah and the mission of Christ.

Once again her comments have an emphasis on the sabbath that is probably not fully warranted by the teaching of Christ in the scripture.

bugkiller · Oct 7, 2012

The sacrifice of Jesus was not done on the sabbath. This redemption act was the ultimate goal of Jesus. His fulfilling of the law was necessary to be the Lamb of God for sacrifice.

bugkiller

Stryder06 · Oct 8, 2012

MoreCoffee said:
Have you read about the gospel that saint Paul preached; the one he heard from the Lord? That is the new covenant and both the Lord (in the gospels) and saint Paul in his letters describes the terms. If you read Ephesians or Romans you will get a fair amount of the new covenant description, but just as the old covenant took the five books attributed to Moses to expresss so too the new covenant takes the four gospels to express and the letters of the saints in the new testament help to flesh out some of the details. I commend them all to you as precious jewels of truth that can shed light in one's heart and soul.

This doesn't answer my question. If you can speak about the "terms" of the NC, you should be able to point out where they are located. For instance, the OC terms can be pointed out without issue so one can know exactly what was required. The same should be true about the NC. Just as God spelled out the OC terms, I would like to think that God spelled out the NC terms.

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