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That comes across as slick maneuvering. He sorta has authority, but sorta doesn’t.This statement is fabrication. When in discussion it helps to read what the individual that you are speaking with is saying.
Having Authority and applying it are two different things. Link to refutation of fabricated debate claim
God Has exercised His authority off and on from Genesis to Jude…. But all Revelation related DAY OF THE LORD PROPHECIES haven’t occurred yet. This is obvious!
Don't blame it on Calvin,That's the doctrine I've been seeing. It is not biblical. It was contrived 1500 years + after the apostolic scriptures had been completed. It is a result of the Protest of the Catholic Church and a result of a Theologian that Built upon
John Calvin's doctrine of "Election", which misappropriated the word Election from the Jews...
God loves all men in that he provides for them and blesses them physically, but he does not love all men savingly.which required traditions such as omitting verses in Jude and such forth. Yes... That's the one.
It is a Manifested Lens that question's the Character of God's Love. Allow me to ask this. Does God Love the reprobate?
There is fiction and fact contained within this response. Let the reader discern.Don't blame it on Calvin,
blame it on Jesus (Mt 24:31) who calls the raptured (which includes the NT saints--"we," 1 Th 4:17) the elect;
blame it on Peter (2 Pe 2:10), who told them to "make their calling and election sure."
So they were not Jews who were already elect simply by the fact of being Jews.
blame it on Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles (2 Tim 2:10) who, endured the persecution of the Jews for the sake of the elect to whom he ministered.
God loves all men in that he provides for them and blesses them physically, but he does not love all men savingly.
Aw-w-w-w! So swe-e-t.I've been dug in all day. I'm a little sleepy. Excellent dialogue and discussion! I look forward to more, when possible. I leave this discussion with an image of an adorable dancing dog.
All Love in Jesus Christ to All of you...
Non-SequiturThat comes across as slick maneuvering. He sorta has authority, but sorta doesn’t.
No.Non-Sequitur
No, what?
It’s not a non sequitur. I addressed your post.No, what?
Oh, that. It’s Non-Sequitur.It’s not a non sequitur. I addressed your post.
If that’s how you are going to play it, okay.Oh, that. It’s Non-Sequitur.
Non sequiturIf that’s how you are going to play it, okay.
And you pick and choose as is convenient for your argument. Sequitur.
Do you care to address the OP directly at any quotation point? Post's 5 through 7 are important, as well.And you pick and choose as is convenient for your argument. Sequitur.
It indeed denotes that He is GOD.
Let's see how.
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God,the firstborn over all creation.[i]First born denotes "He who owns everything" by Hebrew tradition. "Birthright"
The Image verse is a specific nod to John writing that no-one has Seen the Father, yet to See Jesus was to have seen the Father, while, Jesus alone has actually "Seen" the invisible Image of God, because He is God. (The word was with God, The word was God and the Word ("Ma'amar" or "Dibbur," "Logos") became flesh.. "With God" denotes the Trinity. Was God... Denotes God the Son. The Word became flesh denotes the INCARNATION of God, God the Son, The Son of God, The Son of Man. In this very John 1 account, John specifies that No one has seen God. Because of the biblical rhythm and rhyme, , we can be certain that this verse in Colossians 1 is indeed nodding to John 1, visa vi... Post Incarnate Jesus Christ..... Post Ascension.
16 For everything was created by Him,in heaven and on earth,the visible and the invisible,whether thrones or dominionsor rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
"Pre-eminent" does not mean uncreated, no beginning or end, never having not existed.This is a very simple deduction. If everything was Created by Christ, in heaven and on earth, invisible and visible, than He is
UNCREATED or as it can be said.... Pre-Eminant... Having no Beginning or End... Never having not exsisted.
Assuming God has given no power of creation to anyone outside the Godhead.To say this differently, to Create everything in existence seen and unseen, knowing that God is uncreated... can lead to no other conclusion than this is about God the Son, The very Incarnation, TRUE Image, Presence of God.
Do you disagree with this?
This is a very disappointing answer."Pre-eminent" does not mean uncreated, no beginning or end, never having not existed.
It means highest, above all.
Assuming God has given no power of creation to anyone outside the Godhead.
It is from the gospel of John that we know Jesus is God the Son.
Colossians does not state that Jesus is God.
Best I can tell, I do not agree that "elect" in Col refers only to Jews,There is fiction and fact contained within this response. Let the reader discern.
You’ve been tap dancing around Colossians 1 all day… and I’m cool with it.
That doesn’t change what is being tap danced around.
Colossians is about the meaning of the word “all”. This would be about the sub doctrine of limited atonement.Best I can tell, I do not agree that "elect" in Col refers only to Jews,
that elect is a NT word (1 Pe 5:13--"she (the church) who is in Babylon (faithless Jerusalem), chosen (elect) together with you (in Asia Minor),"
Colossians does proof God granted (blessed) Self Sovereignty, per the OP when lingually compared with Daniel 7 and Genesis.1.Best I can tell, I do not agree that "elect" in Col refers only to Jews,
that elect is a NT word (1 Pe 5:13--"she (the church) who is in Babylon (faithless Jerusalem), chosen (elect) together with you (in Asia Minor),"
I know that you know I'm not saying that Jesus is not God.This is a very disappointing answer.
So that's what we're talking about. . .I missed it. . .I'm pretty literal, not good at reading between the lines.It suggests that the fear of the implication towards the doctrine of Limited Atonement is more important than Jesus Christ, in this instance.
I genuinely didn’t expect this conversation to end up here.
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