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We just understand that “all” has multiple definitions.Determinists like to ignore entire words. By determinist logic, the Holy Ghost was too inept to write the word "Some" instead of "All".
I once knew a Great man that loathed Gnat strainers, used by men to neglect the Most Lofty matters of the Law, like justice, mercy and faithfulness.We just understand that “all” has multiple definitions.
Cool story, bro.I once knew a Great man that loathed Gnat strainers, used by men to neglect the Most Lofty matters of the Law, like justice, mercy and faithfulness.
The word All is argued over, as if straining it with a gnat strainer, to reduce it's scope to some, by some. This takes the very character of Mercy, Justice and Faithfulness away from God.You told a random story. I responded.
What I do know is that pas can mean all without exception, or all of one type. Context determines its usage. So far you’ve balked every time I bring up context.The word All is argued over, as if straining it with a gnat strainer, to reduce it's scope to some, by some. This takes the very character of Mercy, Justice and Faithfulness away from God.
If I say, All of the world is hurtling towards death... and some individual argues that the word All means part of a group, or some of the world, I will leave the matter alone. The grave awaits all of us.
Do you believe that the Holy Spirit of Christ left the word All, up to interpretation, because 1500 years after it was written, some sinful human theologian discovered that all really should have read "Some"?
One post response with the word Whosoever. (Whoever) This is forensic evidence, within scripture... found within 50 verses about what the word "Whoever" means. Will a man determined to empty the cross of it's power believe what he forensically sees? No. He will quibble with one word in scripture to shoehorn human doctrine into ONE Single word. If that man would do this with one single word, how much more terrible would he be with entire passages of scripture?What I do know is that pas can mean all without exception, or all of one type. Context determines its usage. So far you’ve balked every time I bring up context.
Forensically searching ALL (Not the Reformed definition of what All means)... scripture... Is the safest way to determine if a words contextual meaning should be Abrogated of intended meaning. This is kindergarten level Theological methodology. When Colossians 1:15-20, was discussed, a man denied it's actual contextual flow, per the Holy Spirit of Christ, to support man made commentary.What I do know is that pas can mean all without exception, or all of one type. Context determines its usage. So far you’ve balked every time I bring up context.
I don't do "determinist". . .I do Bible.So, to the Determinist, they do not Repent to God, who Loved them first, as God Loved all?
You think God elects according to merit?They are special and better than the Reprobate, better than other people, because they have been selected, while others are rejected? They believe themselves to be the Elect of Israel and thus saved, without having to turn to Jesus and away from their personal will? God Loves them, and Hates the Reprobate?
Augustine may have shared the understanding of what is termed Calvinist Unconditional Election. One can argue that Augustine, who came out Gnosticism, introduced its Determinism (what you term Monergism) into Christianity. Arguably Calvin revered Augustine and built on his teachings. Although the RCC also reveres Augustine, it does not hold to Determinism or Unconditional Election. I have no strong opinion here and don't read the tea leaves.
Bible Election is about service as Israel, God's people, were Elect but many were not saved. Calvinists like to associate Election with salvation - as in doing so, using the term Elect subtly gives credence to their doctrine that God selects exactly who will be saved.
God is love (1 John 4:8) and thus cares about any one of his creation's lost condition. Above @Clare73 says that God is at best indifferent to the lost, which is not as nasty as what Calvin states. The Bible says that Christ atoned for all people through His suffering (1 Timothy 2:6, 1 John 2:2, Hebrews 2:9) - which seems odd if he does not love all men savingly.
“…salvation is freely offered to some while others are barred from access to it.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5)
So all men are saved and Jesus got it wrong--"he who does not believe in the Son is condemned already"? (Jn 3:18).Both @Clare73 and Calvin are in disagreement with Paul on that issue as per all major English translations of 1 Timothy 2:4, God desires all people to be saved.
Say again?I don't do "determinist". . .I do Bible.
My extra-biblical commentary includes NT apostolic teaching.
How does God feel about Satanic Nations that Burn their Babies for Ba'al, according to scripture?You think God elects according to merit?
Scripture might assist us with these matters, instead of an abysmal rending of Romans 9 by the French.He elected Abraham--not the other Hebrews, Isaac--not Ishmael, Jacob--not Esau, because of merit?
Romans 9 is the heart beat of Jehan's Doctrines. Are we still going to pretend that something is not so that is so?Why would you think that when Scripture is so clear regarding the election of Jacob (Ro 9:10-16)?
So all men are saved and Jesus got it wrong--"he who does not believe in the Son is condemned already"? (Jn 3:18).
Are you sure about that?
Spoken as one with a somewhat lack of literacy.Say again?
Feel free to exegete Ro 9 in agreement with its context and all Scripture.How does God feel about Satanic Nations that Burn their Babies for Ba'al, according to scripture?
Scripture might assist us with these matters, instead of an abysmal rending of Romans 9 by the French.
Ad HominemSpoken as one with a somewhat lack of literacy.
Link Here. Done.Feel free to exegete Ro 9 in agreement with its context and all Scripture.
Both @Clare73 and Calvin are in disagreement with Paul on that issue as per all major English translations of 1 Timothy 2:4, God desires all people to be saved. Also in all major English translations of 1 Timothy 4:10, God is the Savior of all people. God is not the Savior of people He does not desire to save.
As you well know I never said that. If you read further in my post (see below) you would see that I provide a brief explanation why everyone is not saved.So all men are saved and Jesus got it wrong--"he who does not believe in the Son is condemned already"? (Jn 3:18).
Are you sure about that?
Jesus is not like the Pharisee in the Parable of the Good Samaritan who has no heart for the perishing. From scripture, we know that our God who is Love (1 John 4:8) sincerely desires everyone to come to know Him (1 Timothy 2:4), but just because I don’t believe that God forces His love on to everyone, doesn’t mean that I question His sincerity. Many are not saved because God leaves some decision making with people. If God did not, He would be unjust to judge us for doing what we could not avoid.
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