Dualing Theologies

jamespyles · Jan 5, 2017

I've been spending the last several weeks in the theology forums talking about covenant theology and why some believers have chosen not to celebrate Christmas.

Long story short, it seems as if folks in the various forums get kind of cranky if you have an opinion that differs from their's. I've toned down my religious blogging to a crawl because who wants to deal with that level of hostility, right? But then I'm finding the same sorts of conflicts here.

Even within Messianic Judaism, Hebrew Roots, or whatever you want to call it, there's a lot of contention. I've been tempted just to stop posting on these forums and move on, but then how are different groups of Yeshua-disciples ever going to have a meaning full dialogue?

Any ideas, or should I just stick to talking with those very few people I know who won't be offended?

smithed64 · Jan 5, 2017

Here's a question for you?

Did Jesus worry about offending people?

Also think on this:

"Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ." (Galatians 1:10)

jamespyles · Jan 5, 2017

smithed64 said:
Here's a question for you?

Did Jesus worry about offending people?

Also think on this:

"Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ." (Galatians 1:10)

I don't think I was saying I'm afraid of offending people. On the other hand, I'd like to communicate reasonably with the hope of being heard.

Also, I'm not Jesus and our life circumstances are quite different.

smithed64 · Jan 5, 2017

jamespyles said:
I don't think I was saying I'm afraid of offending people. On the other hand, I'd like to communicate reasonably with the hope of being heard.

Also, I'm not Jesus and our life circumstances are quite different.

If you are Born Again, then you have put on Christ. His righteousness is imputed upon us so that God, sees Him and not us in our lives. We are to completely deny ourselves and live like Christ, dead to this world and sin, but alive in Christ.

And I agree with you, it can be frustrating to speak to people and feel as if I'm not being heard. But remember it's not about us. It's about Christ. It's about the Gospel. Also remember, the word never returns void. Even if you stand in the middle of the Superbowl and have that mic and spread the Gospel, many people won't listen, but they do , the conscience hears it. The seed has been planted.
People have the right to choice, but they don't have the right to control the consequences of their choice. So if they choose not to listen, fine, let them, but in the end they will have to facing the consequences of that choice.

I look at like this.
1. We are commissioned to spread the Gospel, when we do..it's a Win. Because it's better to obey than to sacrifice.
2. When we spread the Gospel, even if they reject it, they don't reject us, they reject Christ.....It's also a Win, because the seed is planted.

So it's a win/win situation. No matter what.

Keep up the good fight and keep the faith.

CherubRam · Jan 5, 2017

jamespyles said:
I don't think I was saying I'm afraid of offending people. On the other hand, I'd like to communicate reasonably with the hope of being heard.

Also, I'm not Jesus and our life circumstances are quite different.

I am not easily offended, but that does not mean I will agree with everything you say. If you are not able to speak at this forum, you can come to my Christian Forum to speak with me. This forum has many rules that mine does not.

jamespyles · Jan 6, 2017

CherubRam said:
I am not easily offended, but that does not mean I will agree with everything you say. If you are not able to speak at this forum, you can come to my Christian Forum to speak with me. This forum has many rules that mine does not.

Who are you?

Soyeong · Jan 6, 2017

jamespyles said:
I've been spending the last several weeks in the theology forums talking about covenant theology and why some believers have chosen not to celebrate Christmas.

Long story short, it seems as if folks in the various forums get kind of cranky if you have an opinion that differs from their's. I've toned down my religious blogging to a crawl because who wants to deal with that level of hostility, right? But then I'm finding the same sorts of conflicts here.

Even within Messianic Judaism, Hebrew Roots, or whatever you want to call it, there's a lot of contention. I've been tempted just to stop posting on these forums and move on, but then how are different groups of Yeshua-disciples ever going to have a meaning full dialogue?

Any ideas, or should I just stick to talking with those very few people I know who won't be offended?

The other day, a friend posted a meme on Facebook which I responded to, the person who posted it responded back, and then a third person made a post asking from him to delete his post because they wanted us to all get along. My friend and I were getting along just fine and we both agreed that it is extremely important to be able to have open conversations with people that we disagree with while still being able to get along, but this goes to show that it can be very easy to misinterpret disagreement as hostility. This forum has strict rules against teaching against the theology that the people of a particular subforum hold to, so it is again easy to misinterpret the people to enforce those rules as being hostile. We are raising a culture where people don't want to be seen as intolerant, so they avoid telling others that they are wrong, and thus they avoid discussing important issues that I think need to be discussed.

I've been wrong about many things in the past, I very likely will be wrong about many things in the future, so there are very likely things that I currently hold to be true that I am wrong about, but I will never find out which things those are unless I interact with people that I disagree with. If someone is being openly antagonistic to you, then feel free to report them or put them on ignore, but again I think there are important matters that we must not be afraid to discuss.

CherubRam · Jan 6, 2017

jamespyles said:
Who are you?

My name is Michael, I am a Judaic Christian. That is a type of Protestant Christian. If you like you can send me a PM, or you can come and visit me on my forum.

ToBeLoved · Jan 6, 2017

What I try (and not always so successfully) to stick to scripture as much as I can and not go into the threads that are opinion related (like politics or philosophy). If you have decent or good theology most of the time there are posters who also have the same views, so you are not alone usually. That helps.

I think it always helps, specifically with theology to list out whatever supporting scripture references that you are using to determine your opinion because then the discussion is more about the scripture, less about the person, usually. If you don't list out the scripture than you have to try to explain in your own words which usually you mess up somewhere along the line and someone will correct you, which may raise bad feelings.

The other thing is don't be afraid to abandon a thread or leave a thread and not come back if it is not edifying. You can unsubscribe to threads, use the option because if you don't receive updates, chances are you won't go back.

Lastly, if someone is harsh you can ask them not to address you any longer. Most people will respect it and leave you alone.

CherubRam · Jan 6, 2017

ToBeLoved said:
What I try (and not always so successfully) to stick to scripture as much as I can and not go into the threads that are opinion related (like politics or philosophy). If you have decent or good theology most of the time there are posters who also have the same views, so you are not alone usually. That helps.

I think it always helps, specifically with theology to list out whatever supporting scripture references that you are using to determine your opinion because then the discussion is more about the scripture, less about the person, usually. If you don't list out the scripture than you have to try to explain in your own words which usually you mess up somewhere along the line and someone will correct you, which may raise bad feelings.

The other thing is don't be afraid to abandon a thread or leave a thread and not come back if it is not edifying. You can unsubscribe to threads, use the option because if you don't receive updates, chances are you won't go back.

Lastly, if someone is harsh you can ask them not to address you any longer. Most people will respect it and leave you alone.

There are bible scriptures that do not agree with some peoples faith. I for one have been booted off for posting such scriptures. However, CF does allow us to have private conversations. Or you can come and see me.

Kenny'sID · Jan 6, 2017

jamespyles said:
Long story short, it seems as if folks in the various forums get kind of cranky if you have an opinion that differs from their's.

Would you consider yourself a bit cranky because others have opinions that differ from you on this? I mean are they just disagreeing normally like you disagree with them, or do they get nasty? I guess I'm trying to ask if they are acting identical to you, but with a different opinion, and you may be seeing the difference of opinion as cranky, or anger?

I ask because I've seen a few threads on this, and though a lot of people will disagree when an OP speaks against Christmas, and I understand that can be a bit overwhelming, if only for that reason, still I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary as far as cranky goes...just business as usual on an internet discussion board. Of course cranky can happen if an OP is to pushy or persistent, and I'm not saying you do that, just that, that can cause some problems.

ToBeLoved · Jan 6, 2017

CherubRam said:
There are bible scriptures that do not agree with some peoples faith. I for one have been booted off for posting such scriptures. However, CF does allow us to have private conversations. Or you can come and see me.

Well there are two kind of areas on CF. There are safe houses for certain beliefs like Baptist, Pentecostal, Spirit-Filled, ect. Those you can only post what is ok to that belief system because that is their safe house or safe place.

Then there are general areas, like politics, controversial Christian theology that anyone can participate in. We even have atheists.

The other kind of area is like teens, married, single, men only, over 50 and of course you have to be that designation.

At the top of each sub-forum is a Statement of Purpose (they could have changed the name) and it lists the rules of that sub-forum in it. So we are suppose to read the SOP for the sub-forum and not break the rules for it and sometimes there are restrictions.

I don't know if this is what you did, but if you get booted off by a moderator, they usually send you an alert telling you what you did wrong and give you a warning not to do it again. If you get to many reports then can block you for 3 days or a week or forever, but that happens in increments so you will get the warnings first, then 3 days, then a week, ect...

Hope this helps.

ToBeLoved · Jan 8, 2017

visionary · Jan 9, 2017

Welcome to our corner, and may you be blessed with insights, compassion, and tolerance which included long suffering. Personally, I look for gems, dust away the chaff, and praise the Lord when I find a fellow believer with insights and light I have not been exposed to before. It adds light to His holy room exposing more details that I had not seen from that angle and it causes great rejoicing in my heart for the Lord bringing it to light.

mishkan · Jan 15, 2017

jamespyles said:
I've been spending the last several weeks in the theology forums

Personally, I've sworn off that habit.

jamespyles said:
I've toned down my religious blogging to a crawl because who wants to deal with that level of hostility, right? But then I'm finding the same sorts of conflicts here.

I've been doing the same thing. There just doesn't seem to be much ponit, sometimes. Everything important has already been said, ad nauseum.

jamespyles said:
Even within Messianic Judaism, Hebrew Roots, or whatever you want to call it

In my opinion, clarifying and defining the appropriate membership of those labels is a key topic of the hour.

jamespyles said:
I've been tempted just to stop posting on these forums and move on, but then how are different groups of Yeshua-disciples ever going to have a meaning full dialogue?

My quandary, as well.

jamespyles said:
Any ideas, or should I just stick to talking with those very few people I know who won't be offended?

Keep speaking your peace. Only engage those who speak courteously. There are a certain percentage in all groups who want nothing more than to tear you down or yank your chain. Ignore those.

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