Drill sergeants in classrooms?

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I’ve somehow manage to live 54 years, buy a house, raise five kids, take decent vacations, etc. without knowing calculus, chemistry or physics.

We're talking about the requirements of being educated, not the above.
 
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I could have skipped the frog dissection, but if you don't learn physics and chemistry (and calculus for that matter), you don't understand how the world works. There should be art and literature expectations as well.

??? Don't know how the world works??

Back in the 70's (when I was in high school), Physics, Calculus were not required courses, a rudimentary chemistry course was taken along with Earth Science.

I hold a Bachelors and Masters in my discipline, are you saying I and the tens of millions of people who never took those optional course do not understand how the world works?

Certainly you misspoke.
 
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As for the misleading title of the thread.

I grew up in the 60's in a Catholic school. I would have traded a DI over the sisters in a heartbeat.

Right up into the middle school grades, it was so archaic and horrible. We had to stand when answering a question, address our teachers as Sister, ma'am or sir. There was no talking in class.
 
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Judging by the discussions I've had and witnessed, I would say that a lot of people don't understand how the world (or at least parts of it) works. I don't know what your discipline is, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if you didn't have a decent grasp of math or physics. My wife has a graduate degree from an ivy league university and she asks me questions about middle school-level math.
 
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Judging by the discussions I've had and witnessed, I would say that a lot of people don't understand how the world (or at least parts of it) works.

Can you offer a real life example as to what you are referring to?
Please
 
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Well, she should be forgiven if she has questions about how middle school math is being taught today.

But she should remember her own middle school math.
 
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Can you offer a real life example as to what you are referring to?
Please

Well, I was trying to keep my comment general, but if you want me to put a really fine point on it: I seem to recall a somewhat infamous thread from a while back where you went on at length about taxes without understanding how marginal tax rates worked. More recently, you started this thread in which you tried to tie the cancellation of a single sale of Alaskan drilling leases to current inflation, dismissing the Administration's explanation (quoted in the article) that it had been cancelled due to lack of demand, apparently unaware of the fact that this isn't even the first time that leases in that area have been cancelled due to lack of demand:


So, you clearly don't understand how this particular facet of the world works.

Looking back over our past interactions, here's a recent post where I corrected a misunderstanding of yours regarding the levels of government spending:
#17

Here's me correcting you when you claimed that Bob Gates wasn't a right-winger:
#7

Energy independence you got pretty wrong, too, if anybody wants to read that thread:
How long before gas goes to 4-5 a gallon?

I could go on, but I think that's enough for now.
 
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Well, she should be forgiven if she has questions about how middle school math is being taught today.

But she should remember her own middle school math.

Fortunately for both of us, I'm okay at math and she has many other redeeming qualities.
 
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That's awesome!
I bet they do a better job than the woke teachers unions ever could
Veterans do have training of course it's just not the kind of training some recognize, but the kind that applies to real life.
 
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Not many parents who went the route of getting their kid into a decent school or program within their school would consider those scores a pay off. Especially 950 which is below average.
 
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Still not true. But I did see where there is some ambiguity. Internet access for homeschooling, the need of which is minimal, can be done without paying high prices for super high speed service. You only need that for gaming and streaming, which goes back to priorities. The bottom line is that parents who want to homeschool their children can need to examine their expenses and figure out what’s necessary and what isn’t.
 
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One thing it does accomplish is it forces the person to focus and pay attention. I know this from personal experience because my father was a drill instructor in the Marine Corps and had me doing 4th grade level reading and math before I started 1st grade. You’d be amazed at how focused a person can be when they know that if they start goofing off somebody will slap a knot on their head. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think that’s how our classrooms should be conducted and I’ve never slapped any of my children anywhere except their hand or butt. Just wanted to point out that it does give results.
 
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I’ve somehow manage to live 54 years, buy a house, raise five kids, take decent vacations, etc. without knowing calculus, chemistry or physics.

Honestly brother I assure you that you do know some physics. We use it everyday without even realizing it. However I do get your point that a large portion of what we’re taught in school will most likely never actually be used.
 
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Yeah, I had a similar experience - while my dad didn't have that military background, he did go through catholic school in Brooklyn in the 50's and 60s and I also wound up advanced in those early grades. But elementary school is when a lot of that rote memorization is arguably most useful; and there comes a point when it's no longer enough and you need to move beyond it.
 
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Making the HUGE assumption you were actually correct in each of those circumstances, now please correlate those with Calculous and physics. or the lack there of.

My cursory look, not one of those have anything to do with Chemistry, Calculous or physics as did none of your responses.
 
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The comment that you asked me to illustrate wasn't limited to chemistry, calculus, or physics:

Judging by the discussions I've had and witnessed, I would say that a lot of people don't understand how the world (or at least parts of it) works.
 
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The comment that you asked me to illustrate wasn't limited to chemistry, calculus, or physics:

Yes it was - I thought you stayed on topic - my apologies.
 
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Yes it was - I thought you stayed on topic - my apologies.

I was addressing the issue of whether or not some folks understood "how the world works." In the context of the conversation you guys were already having, "the world" obviously represented some set of subjects beyond calculus, physics, and chemistry, as evidenced by the fact that you used your graduate degree in some other subject to suggest that you understood "how the world works." Your implication obviously was that there's more to "the world" than math and a couple of hard sciences. I then chimed in with a comment about how folks did (or did not) understand this broader "world." If you want to argue that this broader definition is off-topic, that's your business, but either way, I didn't take it there. I merely hopped in after it was already off-topic.
 
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OKIE DOKIE
 
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