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Don't you have to feed me so that I can make sense, since you have all the sense and I don't?While we're on the subject I think we should stop feeding Doveaman until he starts making sense.
But since we cant see stars in this image, any conclusion that they are affecting the background light is just a boldfaced assumption, and makes the interpreter seem desperate for an answer.
And, is the light being bent around the galaxy, or through the galaxy?
If the light is being bent around the galaxy, then why would the stars within the galaxy affect it?
They are plenty of plasma arcs in the universe. They are all over the place. The simpler explanation of the universe ought to be based on what we already know, not fictitious lenses Occams Razor.
Maybe it is the fish eye lensing that you are mistaking for gravitational lensing. Fail.
I never said gravity is electricity.
I said the underlying physic is electrical, or likely to be electrical, since it is only a theory.
Gravity will still act as gravity does even though the underlying physics is likely to be electrical.
There is no competition between Big Bang metaphysics and EU physics. The two dont compare. One is faith based. The other is physics based. If you want to compare Big Bang theology with something, try religion.
Ive learnt way back not to want anyone to accept anything in this forum. Not my intent. We either accept or we dont. Thats our prerogative.
You dont get it, do you?
Big Bang theology is based on a flawed interpretation of red-shift, which effectively kills the Big Bang hypothesis.
The life blood of Big Bang theology today is non-existent dark matter, dark energy, and all the other dark invisible unverified stuff you guys like to manufacture and sprinkle with mathemagic dust, which effective makes Big Bang a walking zombie.
You need to come up with a new scientific theory if you expect to explain reality, a scientific theory that relies on the Scientific Method.
You do remember what the Scientific Method is, right?
I am not seeing what you are seeing. But thats not surprising because where you see two I see five, as shown below:
Only in Big Bang theology with all of its mathemagics and mathematricks does one plus one equal five (1+1=5).
Maybe you need a new pair of lenses of your own.
I asked for an empirical demonstration of your interpretation of space warping, and all you do is offer more interpretation?
I am forced to ask why you guys ask Creationists for empirical evidence of their biblical interpretations when you guys do the exact opposite to what you ask them for in order to verify your scientific interpretations.
I think I see a double standard here. Fail.
Disqualified for cheating. Fail.
The stars are within the galaxy, not around the galaxy where the light is said to be bent. So why should the stars within the galaxy obscure the light around the galaxy?So are you saying galaxies do not contain stars?
Because stars have mass, mass affects gravity, gravity affects light.
Charged particles within cosmic plasma shape matter into arcs, filaments and toruses.So why do the plamsa arcs seem to create a circular "lensing" effect?
No, something is wrong with the eye balls of the observer.So do you think there is something wrong with the Hubble space telescope?
Yes I did, meaning that the underlying physics of gravity is likely to be electrical.You said "electric gravity".
How would we test dark matter? How would we test dark energy? How would we test space warping?How would we test that?
The current cosmology is based on Big Bang. Big Bang is based on a flawed interpretation of red-shift. There is nothing independent of Big Bang in current cosmology, therefore there is nothing independent of red-shift on which the Big Bang is based. Falsify the current interpretation of red-shift and the current Big Bang cosmology falls apart.I would have to claim that you are the one who does not get it. The current cosmology is based on more than just red-shift. If redshift was falsified it does not falsify other evidence that is independent of redshift.
Gravitational lensing is an ad hoc explanation of anomalous red-shift.Gravitational lensing is independent of redshift and was predicted by Einstein's theory of relativity independent of redshift.
It has to do with Big Bang, and Big Bang is based on current red-shift interpretation, and current red-shift interpretation has been falsified, which makes Big Bang theory a zombie theory, and a zombie theory cannot explain anything? All you can do is add your own personal interpretations of observations to the zombie theory so as to make the zombie theory appear to be alive. But the real Cosmologists know the zombie theory is dead having died many years ago.I had asked you a question about the blackbody spectrum recognized by the COBE satelitte and if EU had any explanation for it, to which you replied...
Why do you ask for an explanation when what you have is retrofitted?
http://www.christianforums.com/t7437092-59/
I then went to show you that the blackbody spectrum was hypothesized in the early 1900's and discovered recently. The blackbody spectrum has nothing to do with redshift.
What laboratory experiments have to done to verify dark matter?Observe, Question, Formulate a Hypothesis, Predict, Observe/Experiment, Analyze Data, Conclusion. If data falsifies your prediction, revise hypothesis.
I dont need papers. I need experimental verification of all those dark, invisible, undetected entities Big Bang theology is composed of.Here are the papers of the data. Have fun!
I dont need data. I need experimental verification of all those dark, invisible, undetected entities Big Bang theology is composed of.I gave you what I was expecting to get from you. I provided a link with all of the research papers. Even if you do not accept the conclusion you can still analyze the data.
Crying foul is very much justified.No double standard at all. Only somebody who cannot put his money where his mouth is and instead cries foul.
And Ill be waiting for you to provide experimental verification of all those dark, invisible, undetected entities Big Bang theology is composed of.I'll be waiting for you to provide some research papers.
Hansel and Gretel didn't own that house; if I remember the story correctly, a witch did.Steam Driven Universe is also dead. Latest Creationist claim is: Chocolate cookie with fudge Universe! Proof is the theory of Hansel's and Gretel's Cookie house!
Hansel and Gretel didn't own that house; if I remember the story correctly, a witch did.
The witch was cast into fire for eternity. This is proof that the latest theory is the one and only correct theory of the universe. The Hansel and Gretel theory will prove impossible to refute! Finally a theory that stands!Hansel and Gretel didn't own that house; if I remember the story correctly, a witch did.
But not in Hansel and Gretel's oven, in her own oven, as sandwiches pointed out.Steam Driven Universe is also dead. Latest Creationist claim is: Chocolate cookie with fudge Universe! Proof is the theory of Hansel's and Gretel's Cookie house!Hansel and Gretel didn't own that house; if I remember the story correctly, a witch did.Until they burned the witch alive in her own oven. Then, they probably just moved into her delicious house of cannibalistic horrors.The witch was cast into fire for eternity.
Yes you are absolutely correct that I did not specify clearly my point. Well; It matters not in whose oven the witch was cast into since all fire is purifying and belongs in the domain of the Pink fire eating jellyfish of the 23rd dimension! Therefore we can absolutely and positively conclude that since all fire belongs to the said Jellyfish then the vessel that contains that fire is a trivial detail not worthy of mention even in the lowly world of the nematodes!But not in Hansel and Gretel's oven, in her own oven, as sandwiches pointed out.
You guys don't take being corrected very well, do you?
On the contrary --- you specified it very well --- just wrong.Yes you are absolutely correct that I did not specify clearly my point.
Proof is the theory of Hansel's and Gretel's Cookie house!
News Flash: Big Bang is DEAD.Attempt to overthrow strongly evidenced standard model with obviously flawed ideas, 'Goddidit' and no knowledge of physics or the scientific method. Fail.
News Flash: Big Bang is DEAD.
So has God did it ever been tested and verified as the true explanation for anything at all? The answer is no and the reason why your God has never done anything is because it lacks factual reality.News Flash: Big Bang is DEAD.
Wow --- John 9 all over again.So has God did it ever been tested and verified as the true explanation for anything at all?
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