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It was by grace alone through faith alone. I held to the 5 Sola's.
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It was by grace alone through faith alone. I held to the 5 Sola's.According to your protestant tradition, is one saved by faith? Or are they saved by grace through faith?
Remember, "Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit." -1 Corinthians 12:3
What is this rule? I don’t see people pulling punches at all in this section. And I‘Ve seen people mentioning why they lost faith several times. Also, why would non-Christians telling a story about why they stopped believing be considered any more of a threat than non-Christians explanation why they would never ever believe in the first place?I'd like to hear a little more about the particulars that led you away from the faith (or perhaps about the straw that broke the camels back, so to speak), but I don't believe that you can do that on the public boards (house rules and all).
Maybe it's not a rule, but as a non-believer, it is easy to step on toes around here.What is this rule? I don’t see people pulling punches at all in this section. And I‘Ve seen people mentioning why they lost faith several times. Also, why would non-Christians telling a story about why they stopped believing be considered any more of a threat than non-Christians explanation why they would never ever believe in the first place?
Maybe, but reasons for disbelief usually originate from bad arguments or bad apologetics. Often believers think arguments sound much better that they are because of confirmation bias.Apologetics can defend the faith against some reason for disbelief.
I’ve read in here much more than I’ve posted. As far as I have seen eye gouging, hair pulling, and biting are all quite common in here, just ask @2PhiloVoid lolMaybe it's not a rule, but as a non-believer, it is easy to step on toes around here.
As someone with a lot of Irish blood--sounds like a great time.I’ve read in here much more than I’ve posted. As far as I have seen eye gouging, hair pulling, and biting are all quite common in here, just ask @2PhiloVoid lol
Hey Jok, the main house/site rules make it pretty clear.What is this rule? I don’t see people pulling punches at all in this section. And I‘Ve seen people mentioning why they lost faith several times. Also, why would non-Christians telling a story about why they stopped believing be considered any more of a threat than non-Christians explanation why they would never ever believe in the first place?
Maybe, but reasons for disbelief usually originate from bad arguments or bad apologetics. Often believers think arguments sound much better that they are because of confirmation bias.
I know this is a clickbait type of question--bear with me for a second. I am interested in what you think about the role of apologetics when discussing the faith with non-believers on this forum.
Recently I have engaged several believing members of this forum, across multiple treads, and I have notices a recurring theme. Often believers are claiming that God cannot be proven. I know most of you would agree with that statement as it stands, but in your opinion, can evidence for God be reasonable shown to point that direction. If so, do you think evidentiary apologetics it is a fruitful thing to engage in?
When I was a believer, I believed in God's sovereignty in Election, whereby God saved some and passed over others. However, I still thought evangelism and apologetics where implied because 1 Pete 3:15.
Given that I left the church and no longer believe, you might think I am attacking or insincere. I am sincere--I am just not convinced. Many discussion on this thread include claims by believers who tend to not provide evidence or a rational for theistic claims when asked for them by unbelievers. This is frustrating for advancing dialogue. Why do you think this often happens?--pease don't take that personal.
My longer form question is: given all the above, should Christians engage non-believers on this forum by engaging in apologetics and by attempting to make compelling arguments for their claims as a way to convince them those claims are true?
If by apologetics people mean anything like what William Lane Craig does--it is probably best to abandon it.You see, Caliban, some of my resistence here is that I've been poaching [yes, I said poaching] these kinds of topics for a couple of years here already. Hence the following thread I made last Fall:
Should Christians Abandon Apologetics?
The only things I’ve ever noticed being enforced were people being told to chill out if rude personal attacks were going, or if a Christian accused another Christian of being a fake Christian.Hey Jok, the main house/site rules make it pretty clear.
Promoting* or proselytizing religious beliefs or religions other than Christianity is not allowed.Talking about one's faith (or lack thereof) can be done, but with care, because overstepping can result in our mods removing part or all of a post that goes against the rules.
* Promotion is defined as encouragement of the progress, growth, or acceptance of something including advertising and publicity.
CFcom has been at this for more than two decades now, and I have come to trust that most, if not all of the rules that they've put in place (many due to experience) are beneficial, and no doubt a big part of the reason that this forum survives and thrives while many other Christian forums, sadly, do not.
God bless you!
--David
I don't think my story is all that exciting; it would be better to just go watch Dunkirk or an old western--I like Shane.The only things I’ve ever noticed being enforced were people being told to chill out if rude personal attacks were going, or if a Christian accused another Christian of being a fake Christian.
Well there’s a simple solution, @Caliban can just tell his story, and if nothing happens nothing happens. But if he gets banned for life then we’ll know, problem solved! Lol
Banned for life would take an extra-special effort on @Caliban's part, I thinkThe only things I’ve ever noticed being enforced were people being told to chill out if rude personal attacks were going, or if a Christian accused another Christian of being a fake Christian.
Well there’s a simple solution, @Caliban can just tell his story, and if nothing happens nothing happens. But if he gets banned for life then we’ll know, problem solved! Lol
Apologetics works very well at its intended function: to reassure believers that there are actually answers, and the skeptics who pose tough questions have been confounded. It doesn't really work at what it says its for - to convince nonbelievers of the truth of Christianity - but that's okay, because it's not really trying to.I know this is a clickbait type of question--bear with me for a second. I am interested in what you think about the role of apologetics when discussing the faith with non-believers on this forum.
Recently I have engaged several believing members of this forum, across multiple treads, and I have notices a recurring theme. Often believers are claiming that God cannot be proven. I know most of you would agree with that statement as it stands, but in your opinion, can evidence for God be reasonable shown to point that direction. If so, do you think evidentiary apologetics it is a fruitful thing to engage in?
When I was a believer, I believed in God's sovereignty in Election, whereby God saved some and passed over others. However, I still thought evangelism and apologetics where implied because 1 Pete 3:15.
Given that I left the church and no longer believe, you might think I am attacking or insincere. I am sincere--I am just not convinced. Many discussion on this thread include claims by believers who tend to not provide evidence or a rational for theistic claims when asked for them by unbelievers. This is frustrating for advancing dialogue. Why do you think this often happens?--pease don't take that personal.
My longer form question is: given all the above, should Christians engage non-believers on this forum by engaging in apologetics and by attempting to make compelling arguments for their claims as a way to convince them those claims are true?
That tends to be how I see it too. But I am surprised by the variety of thinking about apologetics on this forum--some Christians don't even think it has value for converting non-believers.Apologetics works very well at its intended function: to reassure believers that there are actually answers, and the skeptics who pose tough questions have been confounded. It doesn't really work at what it says its for - to convince nonbelievers of the truth of Christianity - but that's okay, because it's not really trying to.
Expanding on 1 Peter 3:15I know this is a clickbait type of question--bear with me for a second. I am interested in what you think about the role of apologetics when discussing the faith with non-believers on this forum.
Recently I have engaged several believing members of this forum, across multiple treads, and I have notices a recurring theme. Often believers are claiming that God cannot be proven. I know most of you would agree with that statement as it stands, but in your opinion, can evidence for God be reasonable shown to point that direction. If so, do you think evidentiary apologetics it is a fruitful thing to engage in?
When I was a believer, I believed in God's sovereignty in Election, whereby God saved some and passed over others. However, I still thought evangelism and apologetics where implied because 1 Pete 3:15.
Given that I left the church and no longer believe, you might think I am attacking or insincere. I am sincere--I am just not convinced. Many discussion on this thread include claims by believers who tend to not provide evidence or a rational for theistic claims when asked for them by unbelievers. This is frustrating for advancing dialogue. Why do you think this often happens?--pease don't take that personal.
My longer form question is: given all the above, should Christians engage non-believers on this forum by engaging in apologetics and by attempting to make compelling arguments for their claims as a way to convince them those claims are true?
We are called to present the truth whether it is accepted or not.
My experience has shown that apologetics rarely wins souls - rather an encounter with Jesus is needed.
We can easily become 'Christian' and never meet Him.
We are called to present the truth whether it is accepted or not.
My experience has shown that apologetics rarely wins souls - rather an encounter with Jesus is needed.
We can easily become 'Christian' and never meet Him.
Thank you for sharing the above. This is why the focus is on the hope and not to “win” an argument of how many angels fit in the head of a pin.Since I used to teach apologetics at my church, I am aware of the bad arguments I used to make. I am not exactly expecting someone to provide a good argument for the faith--but you never know.
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