Does a "Sunday Law" make sense?

Stryder06 · Mar 21, 2011

klatyla said:
The revelation here for me was that God in the days of old yes said remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy, and then when Jesus came as with the greatest commandments of all Love the lord your God with all your heart and with all your mind and with all your soul and second being Love your neighbour as you love yourself. These 2 commandments which Jesus gave us was not to make the old commandments obsolete but to fullfill, because in obedience to these two commandments it is an automatic obedience to the Ten Commandments.

You do know that those two commandments were given to Israel in the OT before Christ was incarnated right?

From the sound of it, you're saying "The keeping of these laws weren't to make the 10 commandments obsolete but to make them obsolete...

In saying this, Sabbath Day I believe was again covered by what God says here. He spoke about the old when God said rest on the Seventh Day that it had no value back then and said because of their disobedience they will never enter my rest.

If the sabbath day had no value it wouldn't have been blessed and sanctified by God. It has inherent value. Hebrews using the sabbath as a means to compare. That's it. The author wasn't declaring some kind of spiritual successor to the commandment.

Then he says in vs 7 Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David as was said before 'Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hears.
vs 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God for anyone who enters Gods rest also rest from his own work just as God did from his.

Again, it was a comparison

God here speaks the very essence in regards to Sabbath, not about it being a physical day but a spiritual rest, where when our lives are completely walked in the obedience of our Father and our lives are not ours but his, then we have entered into the rest God speaks about, where we have stop labouring and trying to walk this life on our own, in our own strength, but have fully surrendered to God and entered into his rest Amen So in this, for my self and pray that this will bless others, it is not about the physical day but spiritual rest. As long as we walk in obedience to God, whatever this world throws at us, we are confident and know God will lead us in the righteous path according to his will not anyone elses or our own, but his Amen.
So the real question is, are we thinking about this with our minds or are we being led by the spirit of the Lord who we know is the righteous and only way, and we in our inner spirit will know that in whatever path God takes us through, we walk in confidence knowing the promises he has given us, that we must let all our petitions be known to him and not to be anxious about anything. Amen Be Blessed!!!

To keep it simple, if the sababth wasn't an issue, why did Christ bother with keeping it? When He walked the earth He undid every religious stipulation which had clouded the minds of the people in regards to them keeping the law the way it was inteded to be kept. If the sabbath wasn't about a day, don't you think Christ would have said as much, especially when He was being accused of breaking it?

Your comments are appreciated, but your statement reflects the same dangerous sentiments as those others opposed to the sabbath day. The Lord set the commandment. There is a huge division among His people because of it. Wouldn't it only have made sense for God to have decalred just as plainly as He established it, that He had done away with it?

visionary · Mar 21, 2011

The sabbath is the only commandment of the ten that mentions "strangers" which makes it all inclusive and not exclusive as the Jews would like you to believe... ps.. they know it is the sign of the covenant.

Pythons · Mar 21, 2011

There is absolutely zero chance of a "National Sunday Law" whereas Sabbath observing Christians will be persecuted....
....Because they like to worship on Saturday.
....Absolutely zero.

There will be a colapse from the style of living people have previously enjoyed in the United States however...
...And make no mistake, it's coming as certainly as night follows the day.

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Byfaithalone1 · Mar 21, 2011

visionary said:
The sabbath is the only commandment of the ten that mentions "strangers" which makes it all inclusive and not exclusive as the Jews would like you to believe... ps.. they know it is the sign of the covenant.

If we were to take this thought process to the next logical step, would we also conclude that all of God's statutes and ordinances were inclusive and not exclusive (see Lev. 19, Lev. 24)?

BFA

Stryder06 · Mar 21, 2011

Pythons said:
There is absolutely zero chance of a "National Sunday Law" whereas Sabbath observing Christians will be persecuted....
....Because they like to worship on Saturday.
....Absolutely zero.

There will be a colapse from the style of living people have previously enjoyed in the United States however...
...And make no mistake, it's coming as certainly as night follows the day.

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Glad you're so confident about this.

Stryder06 · Mar 21, 2011

Byfaithalone1 said:
If we were to take this thought process to the next logical step, would we also conclude that all of God's statutes and ordinances were inclusive and not exclusive (see Lev. 19, Lev. 24)?

BFA

Technically we should. The Israelites were suppose to make converts. Just like we have with Ruth and Rahab, the people estranged from God were suppose to be drawn in to Israel by their pecurliarness, and thus be brought back to the One true God. That being said, naturally, the laws would have applied to them.

EastCoastRemnant · Mar 21, 2011

Stryder06 said:
Technically we should. The Israelites were suppose to make converts. Just like we have with Ruth and Rahab, the people estranged from God were suppose to be drawn in to Israel by their pecurliarness, and thus be brought back to the One true God. That being said, naturally, the laws would have applied to them.

I agree completely...

Sulla · Mar 21, 2011

You know if the last days are like before the flood would it make sense that only a few are saved in the last days also?

Pythons · Mar 21, 2011

Sulla said:
You know if the last days are like before the flood would it make sense that only a few are saved in the last days also?

Yes, I'm thinking you are right about that....
...Only the remnant is what's left from the 'main garment'.
...It's not what's left of an alien garment.

Byfaithalone1 · Mar 21, 2011

Stryder06 said:
The Israelites were suppose to make converts. Just like we have with Ruth and Rahab, the people estranged from God were suppose to be drawn in to Israel by their pecurliarness, and thus be brought back to the One true God. That being said, naturally, the laws would have applied to them.

I agree.

I similarly believe that -- though the strangers that were in the gates of an Israelite may have observed all of the convocations listed in Leviticus 23 -- I am not compelled to do so. I understand that most SDAs also would not feel compelled to observe all of these convocations (i.e. even though the strangers in Israelite gates would have).

BFA

Stryder06 · Mar 22, 2011

Pythons said:
Yes, I'm thinking you are right about that....
...Only the remnant is what's left from the 'main garment'.
...It's not what's left of an alien garment.

Tis truth that you speak. Notice in revelation that the Dragon made war with the remanant of her seed who kept the commandments of God.

Stryder06 · Mar 22, 2011

Byfaithalone1 said:
I agree.

I similarly believe that -- though the strangers that were in the gates of an Israelite may have observed all of the convocations listed in Leviticus 23 -- I am not compelled to do so. I understand that most SDAs also would not feel compelled to observe all of these convocations (i.e. even though the strangers in Israelite gates would have).

BFA

Thing is that many of the laws that were given to Israel were only for a set amount of time. They were there to point the way to the Messiah. Now I know that there are plenty of people who think that we should still keep the feasts day and what have you. Paul however says that it's nothing we should argue over because the fullness is in Christ.

That being said, let there be no mistake in trying to suggest that the Christian does not have to keep the sabbath. The sabbath commandment is just as valid as the other nine. Tradition has established that one need not keep the sabbath, not God.

Byfaithalone1 · Mar 22, 2011

Stryder06 said:
Thing is that many of the laws that were given to Israel were only for a set amount of time. They were there to point the way to the Messiah.

I agree. Galatians 3 points out that they all were added 430 years after Abraham and only until the Seed came. Hebrews 10 points out that all of the law was a shadow; the reality was Jesus Christ.

Now I know that there are plenty of people who think that we should still keep the feasts day and what have you. Paul however says that it's nothing we should argue over because the fullness is in Christ.

I agree that it is nothing we should argue over. I certainly take no issue with anyone who sets aside convocations listed in Leviticus 23. There are many who find such observance to be a blessing. Who am I to rob someone of such a blessing?

That being said, let there be no mistake in trying to suggest that the Christian does not have to keep the sabbath. The sabbath commandment is just as valid as the other nine.

This is quite a leap from where we've been in our discussion in this thread.

Previously, you implied that -- because Israelite strangers may have kept the seventh day sabbath -- we should too. I notice that you don't similarly believe that -- because Israelite strangers kept the feast days -- we should too. Have I understood correctly?

BFA

Stryder06 · Mar 22, 2011

Byfaithalone1 said:
This is quite a leap from where we've been in our discussion in this thread.

Previously, you implied that -- because Israelite strangers may have kept the seventh day sabbath -- we should too. I notice that you don't similarly believe that -- because Israelite strangers kept the feast days -- we should too. Have I understood correctly?

BFA

Wasn't trying to make a leap, just wanted to keep the air clear. I believe that all the law was applicable to all who would have joined with Israel. I believe the same principle exists today. Thing is that many of those laws were done away with when Christ died on the cross. That and that only is the reason why I say such mandates as those aren't applicable to anyone, Jews included.

The feast days pointed to Christ. Christ has come, thus the keeping of the feasts days is not necessary. At the same time should one choose to keep those days, they are allowed, but they should not mandate the keeping of them as if it was required by law since those laws were done away with.

Byfaithalone1 · Mar 22, 2011

Stryder06 said:
Wasn't trying to make a leap, just wanted to keep the air clear. I believe that all the law was applicable to all who would have joined with Israel. I believe the same principle exists today. Thing is that many of those laws were done away with when Christ died on the cross. That and that only is the reason why I say such mandates as those aren't applicable to anyone, Jews included.

The feast days pointed to Christ. Christ has come, thus the keeping of the feasts days is not necessary. At the same time should one choose to keep those days, they are allowed, but they should not mandate the keeping of them as if it was required by law since those laws were done away with.

Seems we agree in principle but likely disagree in specifics (i.e. you make a distinction between convocations; I don't). No problem. That happens as believers discuss ideas. As we agreed earlier, this need not be a bone of contention.

BFA

Stryder06 · Mar 22, 2011

Byfaithalone1 said:
Seems we agree in principle but likely disagree in specifics (i.e. you make a distinction between convocations; I don't). No problem. That happens as believers discuss ideas. As we agreed earlier, this need not be a bone of contention.

BFA

Not exactly sure what you mean by making a distinction between convocations.

Either way, the sabbath is a point of contention now, and it will be a greater point of contention later. The great thing about it all is that once the rubber meets the road, none will be left with that "I didn't know" excuse.

EastCoastRemnant · Mar 22, 2011

Stryder06 said:
Not exactly sure what you mean by making a distinction between convocations.

Either way, the sabbath is a point of contention now, and it will be a greater point of contention later. The great thing about it all is that once the rubber meets the road, none will be left with that "I didn't know" excuse.

Amen... God is just!

Byfaithalone1 · Mar 22, 2011

Stryder06 said:
Not exactly sure what you mean by making a distinction between convocations.

You seem to allow for flexbility in observing convocations such as passover, day of atonement, feast of unleavened bread (and I'm glad you do). Meanwhile, you seem to insist that a convocation such as the seventh-day sabbath must be observed. That's the distinction I think you've made (and if I've misunderstood, feel free to clarify). I don't see a basis for this distinction in the "stranger in the Israelite's gates" argument.

Either way, the sabbath is a point of contention now, and it will be a greater point of contention later.

It isn't a point of contention for me. I am 100% comfortable with the idea that folks receive a blessing through the observance of a weekly day of rest. I have absolutely no desire to change that.

In contrast, I sense that there may be some sabbatarians out there who are a bit less open minded about my choice not to set aside Saturday as a God-ordained day of rest. In fact, there are some who are concerned that my choice might eventually lead me to receive the mark of the beast. For them, this seems to be a point of contention.

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