No, the op asked about the story of Adam and Eve which includes the whole story.
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Did you ever see the films on the Japanese tsunami?
I don't know for sure, but the creation story is structured like poetry. This is suggestive of metaphor, as when similar form is sometimes used elsewhere in the Bible.
but certainly the basic condition of being alienated from God includes not having a clear understanding of God and his will, i.e. being deceived. If we truly understood God, we would appreciate him, and not be in the condition we're in.
There does not seem to be anyone who rejects a literal Adam and Eve who can answer this. I am a bit surprised, I would have expected at least the ability to explain what truth it represents in principle, as symbolic and poetic expression can easily do that.
Can any non-literalists answer these questions? Were we even deceived?
This is not preschool : ) you know where he got it.
That seems to be the general consensus. If it satisfies you, go with it.Through an act of disobedience....which plunged all of his progeny for generation after generations into sin.
It was an act of 1 man. But you don't seem to think Adam was a literal man...So, what really happened?
Even if you think Adam was a literal man...what really happened?
Hi Kees,Just curious. I really don't.
Whoa!
*These people were standing on a hill overlooking a valley...and their hillside became a river bank...
...at 14:06 you see people running uphill away from the water...!
Just curious. I really don't.
I agree. Besides a talking serpent, the Bible also has a record of a donkey talking to Baalam. The idea that all of these recorded events should be taken as not true often stems from the influence of Platonism on early church fathers; however, yet again the Bible stands in opposition to this. We might ask: Did God give the donkey anthropomorphic (human-like qualities), or did God open the donkey's mouth and speak through the donkey? Though we cannot know the exact answer for sure, it is clear this is an account of a man's eyes being opened to a reality of an angel planning to destroy him if God hadn't spoken to him through the donkey in actual spoken words. Could God have done it another way? Sure. Could He in fact have done it any multitude of ways? Yes. But that's not what He chose--He did exactly the way He knew would get Balaam's attention.Kees I’ve never come across a talking snake either but cockatoos do like to chat very much that we do know, it depends on the owner or families around them with what they say. As to magical fruits their qualities are many. Ranging from Medicine asprin etc. Health and ecstasy also, be that both in the Physical or in the spiritual realm. A magical mushroom may enlighten you of its powers should you ever pick one by mistake. Kees I guess with what we can evaluate in the physical realm the evidence is already there for both talking aminals and for the magical fruits as well. I’m sure Balaam and his talking donkey would agree ( Numbers 22:21-39) along with Dr Dolittle too. My little doggy does talk with me every day.. : )
ts unfortunate that some Christians are able and willing to believe literally anything, so long as they feel as though it's true.
Hi komatite,
You wrote:
You don't find that nature true of absolutely everyone that you have ever met or known? That people all over the world and for the last 6 thousand years have been willing to believe literally anything, so long as they feel as though it's true. When's the last time you believed something that you didn't 'feel' was true? When's the last time that you believed something that you knew wasn't true, but you felt that it was true?
Personally, that statement really seems rather not well thought out.
God bless,
In Christ, ted
What I am suggesting is that there are no limitations on what people are willing to believe, even without evidence or worse, in contradiction of evidence. And literalist Christians unfortunately find themselves in the latter group surprisingly often.
Hi komatite,
Thanks for your response:
Perhaps that's what you should have written if that's what you were suggesting.
Faith is the evidence of things not seen. The evidence that you are suggesting we put our faith in is of things that are seen. My only evidence of the things of God is the word of God.
I'm perfectly happy to take worldly wisdom and guidance in understanding the engineering of bridge building because I know that great men have built bridges. However, the only one I know who has built universes...is God. Therefore, the evidence I trust regarding those things...is God.
May God richly bless you during this time of joy for the believer that our Savior, the promise of our God throughout the old covenant, has come. Praise God.
In Christ, ted
I do believe that they were literal people because of 5 reasons.Just curious. I really don't.
Romans 8:21 - 22 said:Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Romans 5:12 said:Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
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