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I am not here to argue it but to gather like minded community.Maybe it's because your point of view is weak, because you haven't made a strong case for it.
I am not here to argue it but to gather like minded community.
At least I feel that way much of the time. And yet, that inclination gets overridden by, I think, What Gregory or Nyssa called epectasis, a reaching, stretching out, yearning for god. St. Gregory of Nyssa: “Epektasis (ἐπέκτασις)- The soul’s eternal ‘straining toward’ God”.
I agree. And I cannot help but remember many years ago in my first class on Old Testament. I was shocked that it need not be taken literally, and toss in the Documentary theory, etc. I remember one guy got up and left the class and left the seminary all together I think. But I felt as though my heart was unchained and my mind freed to think without fear. It expanded God for me.Truth hurts when it deals with reality, and such hurt is necessary, but freeing. Falsity hurts BECAUSE it moves us away from reality, and it enslaves.
Funny, since he admitted his agenda in the post you replied to.Derf is gun-shy of terms like "Dare." So, when he sees it, he think there's an "agenda" underfoot. Fortunately, I know better.
"It" seems overly broad as a pronoun there.I agree. And I cannot help but remember many years ago in my first class on Old Testament. I was shocked that it need not be taken literally, and toss in the Documentary theory, etc.
If the scripture were meant by God to be taken literally, and you knew it, would you feel that to be chaining your heart?I remember one guy got up and left the class and left the seminary all together I think. But I felt as though my heart was unchained and my mind freed to think without fear. It expanded God for me.
So I never felt as though I was being unfaithful to God or belittling scripture. Rather, taking a deeper dive. And even that can seem dangerous at times because it might shatter all we thought we knew.
Thank you Akita, this resonates.I must add a thought on the emotional comfort many of us derive from tradition, what we know, what we are used to, what feels like home.
At least I feel that way much of the time. And yet, that inclination gets overridden by, I think, What Gregory or Nyssa called epectasis, a reaching, stretching out, yearning for God. St. Gregory of Nyssa: “Epektasis (ἐπέκτασις)- The soul’s eternal ‘straining toward’ God”.
Kind of like a the captain of a ship in the comfort of home and harbor with the call of the sea within him. That voyage beyond the harbor also takes some daring, some leaving the comfort of beloved familiarities. But I think that is what Paul Ricoeur called the "Second naivete", going back to the familiar scriptural narratives and images with greater appreciation because of a wider view, a broader hermeneutic.
Funny, since he admitted his agenda in the post you replied to.
Crisis, tragedy and suffering, our very own crosses. They may be hard t account for but I think they most often bring us some kind of wisdom.a personal crisis,
There you go. There is so much that we might be aware of but find myself asking, "Hey wait a minute, what was that all about again?" So I am looking for reflection.So, if Akita wants to explore all the myriads of critical topics that I'm mostly already aware of, I don't see any agenda there. He's just asking questions and wants to have fellow Christians who understand and whom he can talk to.
That difference between sheep and goats is also the only means of salvation; i.e., faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ for the remission of one's sin.I respect your opinion on this. I just happen to have a different view.
The goat sins are 100% sins of omission: not caring for sick, poor, immigrant, refugee, widow, orphan, prisoner, etc. These are sins that I struggle with, and I know they are very serious.
I don’t think that parable is talking about biblical interpretation, though.
Edit: perhaps I should have asked a question instead of making statements.
At face-value the parable of the sheep and goats is about caring for the sick, poor, etc.
Do you have another interpretation where it can be about biblical interpretation?
Yes
Perhaps, but sometimes those who claim to be Christian don't always understand the Bible very well either and they make all sorts of crass, obtuse and inflated attempts to explain what the Bible means, only to end up creating a new sectarian denomination. The funny thing is, each denomination, while disagreeing with the others, each claims, "WE HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT!!! LISTEN TO US!!! WE HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT!!! LISTEN TO US!!!"
And who dares to cite the obvious? .... I DO!!!
The church is the body of Christ, all those of saving faith.Actually, the biblical writers such as John suggest that on some level, the "credibility" of what it is they're sharing is a reason for belief, along with the work of the Holy Spirit (and that of the leaders of Christ's Church who have written our New Testament).
One believes it because, as Paul says, they've "heard" the Gospel message, and this is always through the Church, which the Scriptures are an expression of.
There you go. There is so much that we might be aware of but find myself asking, "Hey wait a minute, what was that all about again?" So I am looking for reflection.
The church is the body of Christ, all those of saving faith.
Why would anyone think an internet open forum is a "safe place"?
Ya, so our claim, and that included minimalist "documentarians" is that the Bible, even as it is, somehow mediates God's revelation in a unique way.truth claims about our Sacred Book and about how we might also apply critical thinking to the Documentary Hypothesis
Because they themselves are insecure and feel threatened?Why would anyone be looking for people to pick on and repeatedly criticize, and nothing but that alone, on a public forum?
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