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An most of us seem unwilling to review or devise our interpretations of anything. "Double down" seems the key phrase anymore.So I agree. Hermeneutics are hugely influential in all kinds of ways ...
That sounds opposite of what you said before. After all, most here are Protestants and Catholics.No.. I think for many on this form, in their minds, the Literal view is the "established view". Anything else is alternate.
So, if the literal is correct for any particular passage, you’re happy to ignore it. That may be both important and challenging, but it seems foolish.And, I tried to be clear that I am not interested in disputing which view is more accurate or correct. Rather, I am more interested in exploring aspects beyond the literal. So far it has taken us to some very challenging and inportant concepts of hermeneutics.
Again, isn’t this what you are doing when you discount up front the literal that you already disagree with.An most of us seem unwilling to review or devise our interpretations of anything. "Double down" seems the key phrase anymore.
Why would you assume I ignore it? Literal interpretation is not the only option.So, if the literal is correct for any particular passage, you’re happy to ignore it. That may be both important and challenging, but it seems foolish.
I don't double down. I consider most likely options.Again, isn’t this what you are doing when you discount up front the literal that you already disagree with.
I basically agree with your thoughts here. And like you, I am not interested in convincing others that they should adopt this posture towards scripture.
And for me, a turn towards embracing biblical scholarship helped both my faith and my ability to even read the bible on my own again. It was tremendously helpful to learn that most scholars agree that the archeological evidence doesn’t support the biblical narrative of the Canaanite genocide. So now I can read those accounts and try and understand what this narrative may have meant to the ancient writers and audience, instead of having a crisis of faith over God having thousands of children slaughtered by sword and spear.
..... man, you guys .... this is where I have to admit that where Hermeneutics is applied I get torn between putting a foot over on @Derf's side of things and the other foot over on @Akita Suggagaki 's and @okay's side of things.
There was a statistician who was one standing with one hand in a bucket of ice and his other hand on the hot stove.
His wife asked him, "How do you feel."
"On average," he replied, "I feel just fine."
My main take away is always, "What does this text tell me about God and what does it tell me about the author?"..... man, you guys .... this is where I have to admit that where Hermeneutics is applied I get torn between putting a foot over on @Derf's side of things and the other foot over on @Akita Suggagaki 's and @okay's side of things.
It's in trying to sort these kinds of issues that, for me, I actually swallow the horse pill so many can't. Otherwise, I'd have to jettison Moses and the Exodus by the same interpretive considerations as those pertaining to the Conquest.
And yeah. I know. By today's ethical lights, it all gets very ugly very fast.
That actually makes me chuckle, AV. That's about how it feels ... on average. It's a painful consideration on both sides. I want truth, but the truth is at times uncomfortable.
My main take away is always, "What does this text tell me about God and what does it tell me about the author?"
And literature can be so rich and beautiful and frightening and provoking even if "fiction".
That actually makes me chuckle, AV. That's about how it feels ... on average. It's a painful consideration on both sides. I want truth, but the truth is at times uncomfortable.
So it reminds me, how we interpret is closely related to what we believe.
What does the text tell me about God?
Yes, I think there is a historical basis for a lot of it. But the details? who knows? But Genesis creation accounts seems pure mythical to me.It could be that as difficult as it is to accept, some substantive historical information is actually being communicated and carried along, however partial, and not simply as a "poetic expression" from the Old World.
Yes, I think there is a historical basis for a lot of it. But the details? who knows? But Genesis creation accounts seems pure mythical to me.
Can you imagine an academian going into a restaurant and employing these critical tactics on the menu handed them?
I usually get a chuckle thinking about it.
"Who wrote this menu?"
"This steak here, do you know steak in Swahili is pork in Chamorro?"
(Okay, I made that one up.)
"This 16oz steak, is that avoirdupois, troy, or apothecary?"
"Et cetera."
When comparing it to the Mesopotamian and Babylonian Creation myths, and if we also add in today's scientific account about terrestrial and biological existence, the book of Genesis begins to look a bit more...............how do I say this?................representational and poetic of reality than the oldest myths do.
In my case, brother AV, critical methods, once completed upon my engagement with the Bible, are then turned immediately upon the surrounding claims of the world. And let's just say, I'm sure Satan will not like what I do with it.
Do you catch my drift?
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