Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

ivebeenshown said:

Both James and Paul do.

James 1
25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Galatians 6
2Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

I did not say one could be saved by works without the cross. Think about it.

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read 1 cor 9, the law of christ, was not the law of moses.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Being rich in wealth but poor in spirit doesn't help much either

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G5366 matches the Greek φιλάργυρος (philargyros), which occurs 2 times in 2 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

NKJV) Luke 16:14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money/filarguroi <5366>, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.

5366. philarguros fil-ar'-goo-ros from 5384 and 696; fond of silver (money), i.e. avaricious:--covetous.
5384. philos fee'-los properly, dear, i.e. a friend; actively, fond, i.e. friendly (still as a noun, an associate, neighbor, etc.):--friend.
696. arguros ar'-goo-ros from argos (shining); silver (the metal, in the articles or coin):--silver.

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

We begin by scrutinizing the description Yeshua gives us of the rich man.
First, he tells us that this man was clothed in purple and fine linen. This type of clothing would not have been out of the ordinary for one of considerable wealth during this time period.
However, this attire also has symbolic meaning. The Eerdmans Bible Dictionary says: "The wearing of purple was associated particularly with royalty . . ." (p. 863, "Purple"). In addition, the New Bible Dictionary tells us: "The use of linen in OT times was prescribed for priests (Ex. 28:39). The coat, turban and girdle must be of fine linen." (p. 702, "Linen").

So we see that the garments worn by this rich man were symbolic of royalty and the priesthood.
With that in mind, let's see what God told Moses just before giving the Israelites the Law on Mount Sinai:

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I hera ya loud and clear my brother.

Frogster said:

I hera ya loud and clear my brother.

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Tis a shame this high priest and his minions didn't hear Jesus loud and clear, which that parable is talking about

Matt 26:64 Jesus is saying to him "thou say, moreover I am saying to ye, from present/now ye shall be seeing the Son of the Man sitting out of rights of the power and coming upon the clouds of the heaven".
[Jeremiah 4:13/Luke 16:26/Reve 1:7/6:16]

Romans 2:23 Who in law are boasting through the transgression of the Law, the God thou are dishonoring
24 'For the name of the God because of ye, is being blasphemed in the nations' according as it has been written.
[Psalm 74:10]

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Luke 16:26 and the great "chasm/gulf".

Frogster said:

read 1 cor 9, the law of christ, was not the law of moses.

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The Law of Christ is seen in His words and the way He lived, which magnified the Ten Commandments and brought honor to them because He lived them through love.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Tis a shame this high priest and his minions didn't hear Jesus loud and clear, which that parable is talking about

Matt 26:64 Jesus is saying to him "thou say, moreover I am saying to ye, from present/now ye shall be seeing the Son of the Man sitting out of rights of the power and coming upon the clouds of the heaven".
[Jeremiah 4:13/Luke 16:26/Reve 1:7/6:16]

Romans 2:23 Who in law are boasting through the transgression of the Law, the God thou are dishonoring
24 'For the name of the God because of ye, is being blasphemed in the nations' according as it has been written.
[Psalm 74:10]

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Luke 16:26 and the great "chasm/gulf".

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They still beith behindeth the vail.

Frogster said:

They still beith behindeth the vail.

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Tis not their fault, since they do not read or believe in the NT/NC of the Bible

2Corinthians 3:13 And not according as Moses he placed a covering/kalumma <2571> upon face of himself toward the no to look intently the sons of Israel into the end of the being abolished
14 But was calloused the minds of them.
For until the today, the same covering/kalumma <2571> upon the reading of the Old Covenant/Testament is remaining, no being up-covered/ana-kaluptomenon <343> (5746).
That In Christ it is being-taken-away

Revelation 1:1 An un-covering-veiling/apo-kaluyiV <602> of Jesus Christ, which gives to him the God, to show to the bond-servants of Him which-things is binding to be becoming in swiftness

LittleLambofJesus said:

Tis not their fault, since they do not read or believe in the NT/NC of the Bible

2Corinthians 3:13 And not according as Moses he placed a covering/kalumma <2571> upon face of himself toward the no to look intently the sons of Israel into the end of the being abolished
14 But was calloused the minds of them.
For until the today, the same covering/kalumma <2571> upon the reading of the Old Covenant/Testament is remaining, no being up-covered/ana-kaluptomenon <343> (5746).
That In Christ it is being-taken-away

Revelation 1:1 An un-covering-veiling/apo-kaluyiV <602> of Jesus Christ, which gives to him the God, to show to the bond-servants of Him which-things is binding to be becoming in swiftness

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hmmmmmm...the great hypocrisy passage.

2;5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.

k4c said:

The Law of Christ is seen in His words and the way He lived, which magnified the Ten Commandments and brought honor to them because He lived them through love.

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Exodus 20 and the 10 Commandments

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Get your Bible out so you can follow along as we retrace the footsteps of Moses up and down Mount Sinai so we can see if our long held beliefs line up with the account recorded in our Bible.




The traditional account of the Ten Commandments is found in Exodus 20:1-17. The immediate context of the account begins at

Exodus 19:1 -- In the third month after the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.

The "Law of Christ" is called the Gospel, buddy.

This is what God promised as a reward for the people's keeping the laws and commandments of Torah, including The Ten Commandments:

If you pay attention to these laws and are careful to follow them, then the Lord your God will keep his covenant of love with you, as he swore to your forefathers. He will love you and bless you and increase your numbers. He will bless the fruit of your womb, the crops of your land - your grain, new wine and oil - the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks in the land that he swore to your forefathers to give you. You will be blessed more than any other people; none of your men or women will be childless, nor any of your livestock without young. The Lord will keep you free from every disease. He will not inflict on you the horrible diseases you knew in Egypt, but he will inflict them on all who hate you. (Deuteronomy 7:12-15,NIV)

That's it; that's the contract which God agreed to in exchange for the Hebrews' keeping his laws (and yes, this does include The Ten Commandments). It was a very pragmatic, here-and-now agreement. The Hebrews obeyed in this life; they were rewarded in this life. The Mosaic Laws were intended to make them civilized, not perfect; God's reward reflected this. To say that any part of Torah would have made them perfect would have made no more sense to the Hebrews of that day than to say the same concerning The Code of Hammurabi.

As for their 'taking it for granted' that they would also obtain salvation through the keeping of the laws of Torah, that presupposes one thing, namely, that the Hebrews believed that there was an afterlife worthy of being obtained. Solomon, known to be one of their wisest men, told us what their attitude was toward this:

I also thought, "As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?"

So I saw that there is nothing better for a man than to enjoy his work, because that is his lot. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him? (Ecclesiastes 3:18-22,NIV)

Even today there are many Jews who describe themselves as atheistic, not because they don't believe in the existence of God, but rather because they don't believe in the existence of an afterlife. Death to them is a wall, not a doorway. Their definition of 'immortality' is for them to be remembered by those still living. That's why there is a custom of fellow Jews putting a small stone on the gravemarker of a departed Jew.

By the time of Jesus' sojourn among us there were sects within Judaism which taught that an afterlife did indeed exist. The Pharisees were one of these sects, focussing on legalism as the way of obtaining eternal life. They taught that if they pbeyed the laws of Torah to the proper degree, they could obtain salvation and oneness with God in the afterlife. But they wer using a set of laws that had nothing whatsoever to do with salvation as a means of obtaining salvation. That's called trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

Jesus stated himself that there were certain commandments that were important. We were to love God, we were to love our neighbor, we were to love one another, we were not to murder, commit adultery, give false testimony, or steal, and we were to honor our parents. But he never said that we could earn our salvation through obeying these commandments. In fact, he went so far as to say that we were to expect nothing as a reward for our own actions:

"Suppose one of you had a servant plowing or looking after the sheep. Would he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, 'Come along now and sit down to eat'? Would he not rather say, 'Prepare my supper, get yourself ready and wait on me while I eat and drink; after that you may eat and drink'? Would he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.' " (The Gospel of St. Luke 17:7-10,NIV)

We are to be childlike in our faith, but not childish in our attitude toward what we do. The only reward that we are to see as our having earned as a result of our actions is the successful completion of whatever task we did. To think that our actions are earning us rewards is akin to a driver on our highways thinking that a cop should 'pull him over' in order to pay him for driving safely.

But we are not perfect, and absolute perfection is exactly what God demands of anyone who would enter his presence and survive the encounter. With him there is no such thing as 'good enough'; either our righteousness is perfect, or we are doomed. And this we are totally incapable of doing, especially since that perfection requires us to go much farther than merely obeying a set of laws and commandments. This Jesus pointed out to the rich young man in Matthew 19:16-26 (I'll let you look up that one).

So God had a decision to make. Does he 'write us off' and go on about his other business in the universe, or does he lay out the blueprints for a rescue mission that will literally save us from ourselves. Fortunately, he chose the rescue mission:

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished - he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. (Romans 3:19-26,NIV)

The righteousness that we need in order to survive in God's presence isn't our righteousness; it's his. That was the purpose of the rescue mission, namely, making it possible for us to attain as a free gift the righteousness necessary for our salvation, but which we could never obtain through our own work.

And yes, under the New Covenant, as described in Hebrews 8:1 to 10:14, we do have a code of conduct, written by a Christian for the edification of other Christians:

So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. (Galatians 5:16-26,NIV)

Instead of our code of conduct's being a list of laws and commandments, it's a list of core feelings. Since we are incapable of changing our core nature, we need the direct action of an outside force, namely, the Holy Spirit, to do it for us. He engages our sinful nature in battle in order to subdue the feelings and actions listed as 'acts of the sinful nature'; we just stay out of his way while he does it, and then follow behind him as he continues to lead us through our lives. The credit for our regeneration does not go to law, or even to ourselves. The credit goes to the Spirit's 'taking charge' and getting the job done.

But not only does he 'rein in' our sinful nature, but he also implants in us 'the fruit of the Spirit', thereby giving us a new nature that is amenable to God. Our words and actions, if they are in accordance with what God wants of us, will have these 9 'fruit' as their source of emanation. They are the borders within which we are assured that what we say and do conforms to what God would have us say and do. They are the parameters which dictate whether we are really acting 'in synch' with what God wants of us. The Old Covenant was a list of Do's and Don'ts; the New Covenant is the spiritual equivalent of a heart transplant.

Elder 111 said:

The Sabbath is not a feast. The passover is not of the 10 commandments.

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The Lord called the Passover "*THE* Sabbath" . It is the Sabbath of all Sabbaths .

John 14
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

k4c said:

Everyone of the Ten Commandments are taught in the new covenant. If you close your eyes to them you can teach the Law is done away with. But if you open your eyes and see them you will not only see them you will understand verses that say, "Shall we continue to sin because we're under grace? Certainly not!" "Shall we sin so that grace might abound? Certainly not!".

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Not really.

The 10 commandments are more lax than the N.T. in some ways and more rigorous than the N.T. in other ways.

I could obey "not bearing false witness against my neighbor", and still tell other kinds of lies.

I could obey, "not committing murder", and still hate.

If I were to obey the law of the Sabbath, I could do no work whatsoever on Saturday, (under penalty of death). I know no one who practices that one.

Note: About the Sabbath, it means you cannot travel to church. By driving you burn gas, by burning gas you expend money which you can only get by work. If you ride a bike it would certainly be work unless your church is down the block.

chris4243 said:

Just one commandment for me; "Love your neighbor as yourself". The 10 Commandments are just redundant and of no additional value.

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Not me.

I only seek to obey these three:

Love the Lord your God with...
Love your neighbor as...
Love one another as...

ivebeenshown said:

John 14
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

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23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.

Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

Are you kidding? Most of 'em can't even make it to church! How about 9? Can they just at least envy their neighbor?

SummaScriptura said:

Not really.

The 10 commandments are more lax than the N.T. in some ways and more rigorous than the N.T. in other ways.

I could obey "not bearing false witness against my neighbor", and still tell other kinds of lies.

I could obey, "not committing murder", and still hate.

If I were to obey the law of the Sabbath, I could do no work whatsoever on Saturday, (under penalty of death). I know no one who practices that one.

Note: About the Sabbath, it means you cannot travel to church. By driving you burn gas, by burning gas you expend money which you can only get by work. If you ride a bike it would certainly be work unless your church is down the block.

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We are not under the old covenant, we are under the new covenant. the words and life of jesus magnified and brought honor to Law. He thought us how to keep the law, including the Sabbath, through love while maintaining relationships. Just because we fall into sin does not me we continue to willfully live in sin.