Do not Aggree to Dissagree and be of one mind.

Neogaia777 · Feb 15, 2015

Job8 said:
Strangely enough, we cannot even get agreement on this very fundamental of fundamentals.

Some will add the sacraments and Mary to this, others will add the works of the Law, others will add works of righteousness, others will add water baptism, and on and on it goes.

Well, we should all be able to agree on some points, can't we?, and we must start with that. Are you telling me that not all Christians agree that belief is a requirement to be saved. And we should be able to agree that rituals or ritualistic belief systems, are not the way, neither are works of law, or good works.

I would like and hope for us to unify, so I am asking you on here to help me please with what we can all agree on...

And if not, what all Christian sects and denominations can agree on, maybe what all of here on Christian forums can agree on.

Let's take the first step.

Help? Ideas?

God Bless!

IamNazarene · Feb 15, 2015

Boidae said:
Actually, yes the Bible says homosexuality is sin.

1 Cor. 6:9-10

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

I know homosexuality is a sin what I am trying to say is, that word homosexuality is not in the bible, just like Christmas is not in the bible but we as Christians need to learn what means what.
Christmas is derived from an abomination to the Lord and still now it is but we just have a Christian face added to it so it seems ok.

IamNazarene · Feb 15, 2015

Neogaia777 said:
Most of the time, when people discuss a subject, and then find out they disagree, and say "Let's just agree to disagree" is over things that cannot be known either way (yet) for sure.

I agree that it is divisive and creates houses divided against themselves... Take infant baptism, or purgatory for example, you'd think that we could prove to the people who subscribe to these ideas that their is NO SCRIPTURAL BASIS for those things, and have them agree with us and join with us in one mind, but it's just not that simple.

But some subjects like sanctification, we disagree on exactly what that means, and whether or not one has to be sanctified to be saved, or whether a measure of repentance from previous behaviors or sins, should be included when you say you have been "saved"

I wish there were a way that we could all agree, but that's just not very practical.

What do you propose are things we should all be agreeing on, that would unite, instead of divide over. Is there a single doctrine that is true and accurate biblically?

There are some things we do agree on from which we could start to build a foundation for this, one is that we all "believe" on Jesus Christ and accept him as our Lord, King, and savior, and agree that you must believe to be saved. And most of us accept the "saved by grace through faith" doctrine. Most of agree that faith is integral component for one to be saved and walk with Christ...

In order to agree we must get back to the basics, and reconstruct a solid foundation of things first that we all agree on, and AFTER we have done that, begin to tackle the issues we disagree on...

So, let's do that, let's start with things about Christ, and the Christian faith that all Christian denominations or sects can agree on...

Ideas?

I agree with you, e must go back to the basics.
The thing is time goes on we naturally turn to other resources for answers that are not biblical.

I also belkieve that bible versions play a part in confusion and in time er ave reas so much alternate doctrine and various versions we are plunged into a puddle confounded mess.

Personally I think Satan ahs set out to put us in this with his devices.

I do not see a point in turning to alternate places for instruction because it is not of God asnd only God can give us pure instruction.

Concerning bible versions, which is right, let us go back..

No point in going foreward but back we go.

So the earliest version we can simoply get is KJV 1611..

Unless doctrines and teaching is proved from the purest form of GOds word I think instead of agreeing and disagreeing we can reject.

We need start rejecting based on scripture...

Star Adept · Feb 15, 2015

I always try to see things from other people's perspective. It comes from an upbringing in Christianity that taught me humility as one of -the- most fundamental lessons in the Bible, a mental disorder that caused me to not trust anything that was going on in my mind, and an early career as a writer so I could understand how to make a character more accurate to them instead of me. However, there is a point to recognize when someone is so strong-willed and lacking in these traits themselves that you realize that continuing a discussion can drive them away. When it reaches that point, I walk away. They have their right to choose. If I really feel like I can get through to them, I'll come back after things have cooled off. Otherwise, I accept that I did my best and hope that someone else with a little more clout can find them.

grandvizier1006 · Feb 16, 2015

Star Adept said:
I always try to see things from other people's perspective. It comes from an upbringing in Christianity that taught me humility as one of -the- most fundamental lessons in the Bible, a mental disorder that caused me to not trust anything that was going on in my mind, and an early career as a writer so I could understand how to make a character more accurate to them instead of me. However, there is a point to recognize when someone is so strong-willed and lacking in these traits themselves that you realize that continuing a discussion can drive them away. When it reaches that point, I walk away. They have their right to choose. If I really feel like I can get through to them, I'll come back after things have cooled off. Otherwise, I accept that I did my best and hope that someone else with a little more clout can find them.

Humility isn't a mental disorder. It's a godly, commendable trait. I'm glad that I'm humble (at least I try to be). And sometimes your mind does play tricks on you and make you feel that your feelings are reality.

Star Adept · Feb 16, 2015

grandvizier1006 said:
Humility isn't a mental disorder. It's a godly, commendable trait. I'm glad that I'm humble (at least I try to be). And sometimes your mind does play tricks on you and make you feel that your feelings are reality.

No no certainly not. I meant that I have a mental disorder, schizophrenia, that causes me to not trust in reality or myself. I meant it as one of three things I listed, not a continuation of the previous statement.

Job8 · Feb 21, 2015

Neogaia777 said:
Are you telling me that not all Christians agree that belief is a requirement to be saved.

That is correct. Here is what Scripture teaches (Rom 10:8-13) which corresponds to Jn 3:16 and other Scriptures:
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

But here is what the Catholic Catechism teaches:

I. ONE BAPTISM FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS
>977 Our Lord tied the forgiveness of sins to faith and Baptism: "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved."521 Baptism is the first and chief sacrament of forgiveness of sins because it unites us with Christ, who died for our sins and rose for our justification, so that "we too might walk in newness of life."522 ...
80 It is through the sacrament of Penance that the baptized can be reconciled with God and with the Church:

Penance has rightly been called by the holy Fathers "a laborious kind of baptism." This sacrament of Penance is necessary for salvation for those who have fallen after Baptism, just as Baptism is necessary for salvation for those who have not yet been reborn.525

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