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Jimmy D

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That's the one.

As for the common ancestor Dawkins is referring to, we don't know, it hasn't been discovered yet as far as I am aware. Fossils of apes and their ancestors are very rare.
 
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I know this came from observing fragments of bones found in the dirt by "Evolutionists",

The people who study fossils are called paleontologists, do you not know this?

because no scientist would make such a positive statement of things that may have, could have, might have happened millions and billions of years ago, unless there was some actual scientific observation of that time recorded by another scientist.

What does this mean? I hope that you don't think that our understanding of human evolution is based solely on the fossil record?

It almost sounds like you're making the "no one was there to see it" argument, I hope that you haven't sunk that low.

They are going by looking at a bone fragment that they believe lived anywhere from million, to 10 million years ago, and that they believe this species was very similar to the common chimpanzee(if I understand it correctly?)

Did you actually read the text that you posted from the wiki link? The fossil record supports the genetic evidence.

As I have shown you guys over and over again that Evolutionists thought Ota Benga was "similar to a chimpanzee" also.

Just drop the Ota Benga thing, it's a red herring. If you wish to discuss it start a new thread or something.

May I also ask you guys: What do Evolutionist-scientist mean when they say "similar"? I mean that "Common Ancestor" had to be either, or?

Either or what?


How many times have you been told this, how many links have you been given? It was neither chimpanzee nor human.
 
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Just because I simplify rhetoric doesn't mean I don't understand. But thank you, so may I ask you then, why did Dawkins put "modern' species in the family collage of that white woman in this video?

Simplify rhetoric, my backside. Deliberately provocative language more like.

Why do you think he put "modern species"? Because Homo Sapiens is the most modern species perhaps? Or are you trying to imply racism on Dawkins part, because if you are you would be bearing false witness again.

we have gorillas, orangutans, humans, chimps, bonobos today, why didn't Dawkins use one of the thousands of Peleoartist drawings of the common ancestor in every "T" he calls "common ancestor" in that family collage?

Because he's only used photos of the most recent, extant species, obviously.


Are you talking about ring species now? If so why do your own reading, like everyone else, instead of demanding to be spoon fed?

Just because someone stopped mating with their same species anymore (trauma, disease, whatever) doesn't mean they are now a different species.

So? Are you back to misrepresenting what people have told you again?



No, it is built on genetic evidence.

Which fossils were dug up from graves exactly, is this just a continuation of your early rants about racism?


Is this goading again or are you really ignorant enough to think that this is how science works?

1. from the Evolutionary standpoint, we all evolved from amoeba. That means that even the algae and the rock it is sticking on is our ancestor, and we evolved from a population of extinct skull & bones.

Right, I should have known better than to think that you actually wanted an adult conversation. Is it any wonder people view creationists in such a bad light? Grow up.


Believe what you like, who cares?

If you come on here misrepresenting science, mocking other people's views and slandering people (including your "fellow" christians) who actually study the topics we are discussing then you will be called out on it however.

Someone told me in a post, about the A, B, C species, where B can mate with both, but not A with B.

They told you about ring species, which you twisted into a ridiculous parody of what they said. You must feel so proud of your behaviour.

Tell me what "species" our "common ancestor" was in the above video by Richard Dawkins (time 0:21)

We don't know the exact species, fossils from that time and place are extremely rare. Luckily we don't need to identify the exact species to know it existed.


Wow, this sentence indicates some really shallow thinking on your part. I actually feel a bit sorry for you that your whole world view hangs on a particular interpretation of an ancient text that evidence from the natural world show to be false.

Of course it wouldn't prove or disprove that there is a God. The two subjects are unrelated, all it would "disprove" is your interpretation of the bible, one which most christians reject anyway.

Keep tilting at the windmills though, you might learn something.
 
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... if you would like to point out why that was 'silly', .. by all means please do so, .. I'm all ears?
It was silly because it was feigning ignorance of the obvious; i.e. no-one is stupid enough to think that a shop sign is a reliable indicator of species relationships, or that saying, "No animals allowed!" really means that humans aren't animals (or that humans can't enter). Similarly, that the law treats some animals differently to others (and there are more legal distinctions than just between humans and other animals) doesn't mean some are not animals.
 
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How about instead of trying to "win" or repeating PRATTs you simply discuss the subject with us? Even the laymen like myself have gotten pretty good (or at least not bad) at discussing the evidence for evolution over the years we've been here.
 
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Sorry, I didn't have time to, but I did now that you reminded me, thank you.

All right.

This is something about: periods of hybridization between population groups and a process of alternating divergence and hybridization that lasted several million years.

From your own link - Chimpanzee–human last common ancestor - Wikipedia:

The latter date and the argument for hybridization events are rejected by Wakeley (see current estimates regarding complex speciation).

In other words, not all biologists accept that there was a long period of hybridization between the ancestors of chimpanzees or that the final separation of the two lineages was as recent as 4 million years ago. Also, whether or not there were long periods of hybridization between the two lineages, the fact remains that chimpanzees and humans share common ancestors, and that Orrorin and Sahelanthropus were probably closely related to these common ancestors. There is nothing in the passage you quoted that disputes the common ancestry of humans and chimpanzees.

Indeed, so far as I can see, the occurrence of hybridization between the two lineages would confirm their common ancestry; this hybridization would be impossible if the two lineages were not descended from a common ancestor.
 
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