Different state past

dad said:

The Sumerian records tell of long lifespans. They are of course pagan records, so one would not look to them for detailed accuracy. But they do agree with the biblical amazing long lives enough to be evidence. The spirits of Egypt also, even early kings were said to be gods and spirit beings! The bible also indicates that spirits married women here.

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I'm curious over the source of this claim, could you post a reference to this?

Oh, I noticed you avoided http://www.christianforums.com/t7639776-44/#post60140831

dad said:

False. Believers can eat whatever is set before them. The diet restrictions were for a former time. The future will see no rust or corruption. These are results of a present state and the processes and laws here. They will no longer apply. Lions will evolve fast apparently, so that they eat grass, not flesh any more as well. Need more?

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Your standard for evidence shifts around more than the gear boxes at a grand prix event.

verysincere said:

Genesis describes a year-flood that killed everyone except for Noah's extended family.

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The question is what does the Bible mean by the daughters of men and the sons of God?

Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Jazer said:

The question is what does the Bible mean by the daughters of men and the sons of God?

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Angels.

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Note also:

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Compare:

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Of course, Adam is called 'son of God' ...

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

... but that is a reference to he being created.

Last but certainly not least, Jesus is called the Son of God; not because He was created though (He was 'begotten'), but because He is the Second Person of the Godhead.

Comparing Scripture with Scripture, and taking the context into account are very important in this 'sons of God' phrase, or you can end up thinking like the Mormons do.

AV1611VET said:

Angels.

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Jesus clearly says that Angels do not marry. I thought you knew your Bible.

22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage,
but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Jazer said:

Jesus clearly says that Angels do not marry. I thought you knew your Bible.

22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage,
but are as the angels of God in heaven.

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Angels of God in heaven ≠ angels which left their first estate.

In other words, they had to leave Heaven in order to do what they did.

AV1611VET said:

Angels of God in heaven ≠ angels which left their first estate.

In other words, they had to leave Heaven in order to do what they did.

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Somebody oughta see if they can change the law in Heaven to allow for angel-marriage. It's so intolerant to not let angels marry. What two consenting angels do in the privacy of their own cloud is up to them!

dad said:

The bible covers the future as well as the past and present. Science wallows like a guppy in a drying pool.

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Boy, you are good at evading the question, aren't you.

The Bible says nothing about radioactive decay, does it, Dad? yes or no. If you think the Bible DOES speak of radioactive decay, then post a passage.

dad said:

False. The reason I know is because countless little posters failed to prove that there was no flood. I know you have nothing. Wanna talk evidence? Or you wanna dance the koochie koo all night? This is a science forum. So if you claim to have evidence agaonst the flood that even Jesus confirmed, now would be a good time to present it.

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lol, you talk to me about evidence? Why don't you provide some of your own?

Careful though I am not in a tender mood, and if you put something on the table, it will be breakfast.

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Trying to scare me? I chuckle. I have put radiodating on the table, waiting for you to explain how it is wrong, and it sits there undamaged.

Tiberius said:

Boy, you are good at evading the question, aren't you.

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But isn't Dad right? Doesn't science wallow like a guppy in a drying pool?

The Bible says nothing about radioactive decay, does it, Dad? yes or no. If you think the Bible DOES speak of radioactive decay, then post a passage.

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I think it's in Pauli's Letter to the Radians:

"[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]1:1Dear Radioactive Ladies and Gentlemen,


1:2As the bearer of these lines, to whom I graciously ask you to listen, will explain to you in more detail, how because of the "wrong" statistics of the N and Li6 nuclei and the continuous beta spectrum, 1:3 I have hit upon a desperate remedy to save the "exchange theorem" of statistics and the law of conservation of energy. Namely, the possibility that there could exist in the nuclei electrically neutral particles, that I wish to call neutrons, which have spin 1/2 and obey the exclusion principle and which further differ from light quanta in that they do not travel with the velocity of light. The mass of the neutrons should be of the 1:4 same order of magnitude as the electron mass and in any event not larger than 0.01 proton masses. The continuous beta spectrum would then become understandable by the assumption that in beta decay a neutron is emitted in addition to the electron such that the sum of the energies of the neutron and the electron is constant...


1:5 I agree that my remedy could seem incredible because one should have seen these neutrons much earlier if they really exist. But only the one who dare can win and the difficult situation, due to the continuous structure of the beta spectrum, is lighted by a remark of my honoured predecessor, Mr Debye, who told me recently in Bruxelles: "Oh, 1:6 It's well better not to think about this at all, like new taxes". From now on, every solution to the issue must be discussed. Thus, dear radioactive people, look and judge.
Unfortunately, I cannot appear in Tubingen personally since I am indispensable here in Zurich because of a ball on the night of 6/7 December. With my best regards to you, and also to Mr Back.

1:7Your humble servant,

W. Pauli"
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I had to add the verse numbers back in.

Trying to scare me? I chuckle. I have put radiodating on the table, waiting for you to explain how it is wrong, and it sits there undamaged.

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All this talk about radioactive breakfasts sounds scary and dangerous! People shouldn't have radioactive materials for breakfast or even put them on the table!

TeddyReceptus said:

All this talk about radioactive breakfasts sounds scary and dangerous! People shouldn't have radioactive materials for breakfast or even put them on the table!

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Not even bananas?

AV1611VET said:

Angels of God in heaven ≠ angels which left their first estate.

In other words, they had to leave Heaven in order to do what they did.

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Where did they get the sex organs and the DNA to impregnate women?

Jazer said:

Where did they get the sex organs and the DNA to impregnate women?

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Let's keep this G-rated, okay?

I'm sure they can morph into human beings, with all the necessary equipment to do what they came here to do.

And even if they couldn't, they could have possessed real humans just for that purpose.

Still ignoring my posts Dad?

You have definitely been defeatedif you've stopped even trying to back up your ideas.

Change your tag line.

dad said:

The decay and rust and corruption and etc etc are part of this present world that shall pass away.


1Jo 2:17 - And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

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Boy, talk about reading into the Bible! There's nothing in that passage that comes remotely close to talking about radioactive decay.

Even I have none for your same state past. You are hooped.

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You don't have any evidence for your DIFFERENT state past. That's what I was asking you, dad. Surely you have basic English comprehension skills, don't you?

That is a feature of the present world. Nothing more. You think you can prove it is more that a part of this temporal world? Do it then.

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I've provided ample proof. You have NEVER been able to explain why rocks have millions of years of decay if the state that they can decay in has not been around that long.

(Now you will no doubt attempt a rebuttal of this point which doesn't answer this at all.)

And yet you have never provided a single shred of evidence to support your own position. Even the Bible quote you posted would seem to indicate the existence of radioactive decay, driving another nail into the already well-sealed coffin of your different state past.

dad said:

Just saw the spam link post now. Feel free to use your own words and make some point. ALL methods of dating are same state past methods.

Now about Sumer....you never heard that they claimed long lives too?

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They are evidence of a same state past. If you deny this you are either lying or not using the same definition.

I'm still waiting for the source of these claims you're making.

AV1611VET said:

Let's keep this G-rated, okay?

I'm sure they can morph into human beings, with all the necessary equipment to do what they came here to do.

And even if they couldn't, they could have possessed real humans just for that purpose.

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This sounds really complex! A lot of work involved.