Different kind of Messianic Judaism?

ubermandy · Mar 31, 2004

I have been continuing my studies of Messianic Judaism, slowly, I admit.
Anyway, I recently purchased a book called "Holy to YHVH" (only spelled out). I have only read a few chapters, but there is a lot of emphasis on the Hebrew word Yah. The author refers to Yeshua as YAHshua. Is there any significance to the different spellings? I've noticed that others may spell it Y'shua, or Yahashua. Does the spelling of choice, indicate other differing beliefs?

Thanks,
Mandy

debi b · Mar 31, 2004

Who is the author?

simchat_torah · Mar 31, 2004

The author refers to Yeshua as YAHshua.

This is typical of Sacred Namer Messianics. A few other Messianics have borrowed this from the Sacred namers as well.

shalom,
yafet

debi b · Mar 31, 2004

Usually people who quibble over transliteration belong to the "sacred name only" movement. You can do a search for this and make up your mind about what is advocated by this thinking.

ubermandy · Mar 31, 2004

The author is Terrye Goldblum Seedman.

On the back of the book, she talks about their "divine memorial names...revealed, glorified, and restored to a place of preeminience."

I'll do a search for more details. Thanks,
Mandy

simchat_torah · Mar 31, 2004

I know I've made rather extensive comments about the Sacred Name groups, but I don't recall where these posts are off the top of my head...

you might want to search my user profile for some of those posts.

Sorry, I'm jus at work right now and not a lot of free time at the moment.

shalom,
yafet

YatzivPatgam · Mar 31, 2004

If she spelled out the name- she alreay made a mistake.

iitb · Mar 31, 2004

simchat_torah said:
Sorry, I'm jus at work right now and not a lot of free time at the moment.

shalom,
yafet

You don't have time to find a post, yet you've been in a somewhat heated debate in another thread for the past couple of hours?

simchat_torah · Mar 31, 2004

hahaha... I'm being bad.

I really shouldn't be making these big ole posts, but I'm kinda being a 'bad employee' because I felt it was important to ansewr those posts.

To be honest, it would take me some time to locate the original 'sacred name' post I created as I really have no clue where its at, and anyone else could do it... I'm not the only one with the ability to 'search' this forum

-yafet

ubermandy · Mar 31, 2004

I recall reading some archived posts about the Sacred Name group. I'm sure I can find them when I get the time! I've been gone for a few days, and I'm still trying to get caught up!

Mandy

iitb · Mar 31, 2004

Because I'm such a great person:

simchat_torah said:
I have found in my travels that it is typically the Sacred Namers that push forward the weird transliterations and I tend to think this is where Yahshuah (and other variations) have come from. Sacred Namer groups will claim they have the 'secret' name of G-d and often base salvation upon knowing this secret form of his name. Its very difficult to pinpoint their exact beliefs as they vary from congregation to congregation. Because of this, we only have tell-tale signs to watch out for. They also don't usually have 'sacred name' in their title, but there are things we can use to help us distinguish between 'messianic' and 'sacred namer'.

A set of things to beware of:
1) strange made up hebrew transliterations (one way to spot them from a mile away). Often they may go as far as to base salvation on the correct Hebrew transliteration. As well, often they are quite disgusting in their lack of knowledge concerning Hebrew.
2) uses a weird or previously unheard of transliteration (usually I have found that these groups have little to no knowledge of Hebrew, but proclaim otherwise)
3) claims to have 'secret knowledge', or specifically 'secre knowledge' about a name of G-d
4) often may worship images or objects (such as a torah scroll, etc)
5) has their own translation of the bible that explicitly uses the name for G-d that they think is the only right one
6) practices that resemble jewish ones, but are weird and strange (such as women must wear a tallit, etc)
7) lean heavily towards replacement theology, and subsequently make it one of their primary doctrines.
8) basing salvation on the exact pronounciation of a particular name of G-d.
9) often come off as quite "cultish"

...and other strange practices that seem "Jewish" but don't resemble Judaism at all. For some reason, most are very pentecostal. *shrugs*

These groups will often go under the banner of 'messianic' but truly aren't anywhere near this expression of faith. Don't trust their messianic disguise... they are nothing close to messianic.

I hope these pointers... or "land marks"... will help in identifying 'sacred namer' groups.

One merley needs to do a search on google for "sacred name" or "sacred namer" and you will find a plethera of information.

Shalom,
yafet.

Hix · Mar 31, 2004

justinhulsey said:
Because I'm such a great person:

And SO modest too!

simchat_torah · Mar 31, 2004

There's another post, if you're such a great guy Justin, that you could retrieve where I posted a listing of the 'sacred names'

Of course, I can look later when I have some more time.

iitb · Mar 31, 2004

It was the one immediately following the one I posted. Now I have to search again...

ubermandy · Mar 31, 2004

Thanks, justin, for finding that, and to simchat for the info!

I really haven't read much of this book. I thought it was strange that there was so much emphasis on the name. Nearly every chapter has the word name in the title. That explains it~

Thanks again,
Mandy

YatzivPatgam · Mar 31, 2004

Slightly off-topic but....

Are Danceing Matzah Boy cults closely related with sacred name groups? I shoud think so.

ubermandy · Mar 31, 2004

There is something very appealing about the Dancing Matzah!

iitb · Mar 31, 2004

simchat_torah said:
You will often find very weird transliterations. The following is a SMALL sampling of secret 'sacred names' of G-d depending on which sacred namer group you refer to:

for YHVH:
YAHU Yaveh Yaweh Jehova Jehovah Jahova Jahovah Yahova Yahovah Yahowah Jahowa Jahowah Yahavah Jahavah Yahowe Yahoweh Jahaveh Jahaweh Yahaveh Yahaweh Jahuweh Yahuweh Jahuwah Yahuwah Yahuah Yah Jah Yahu Yahoo Yaohu Jahu Yahvah Jahvah Jahve Jahveh Yahve Yahwe Yauhu Yawhu Iahu Iahou Iahoo Iahueh

For Y'shua (or Yeshuah):
Jeshua, YahuSha, YAHU'SHUAH, Yeshuah, Yehshua, Yehshuah, Yeshouah, Y'shua, Y'shuah, Jeshu, Yeshu, Yehoshua, Yehoshuah, YHVHShua, YHVHShuah, Yhvhshua, Yhwhshua, YHWHShua, YHWHShuah, Yhvhshuah, Yhwhshuah, Yahvehshua, Yahwehshua, Yahvehshuah, Yahwehshuah, Yawhushua,Yahawshua, Jahshua, Jahshuah, Jahshuwah, Jahoshua, Jahoshuah, Jashua, Jashuah, Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Yashua, Yashuah, Yahshua, Yahshuah, Yahushua, Yahushuah, Yahuahshua, Yahuahshuah, Yahoshua, Yahoshuah, Yaohushua, Yaohushuah, Yauhushua, Iahoshua, Iahoshuah, Iahushua, Iahushuah, YAHO-hoshu-WAH

simchat_torah · Mar 31, 2004

lol... leave it to justin to do all the grunt work around here.

iitb · Mar 31, 2004

YatzivPatgam said:
Slightly off-topic but....

Are Danceing Matzah Boy cults closely related with sacred name groups? I shoud think so.

Well, he seems to be walking, not dancing. And he's also the "mascot" for chabad.org's Passover page. So, if you're willing to call them a cult...

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