Did God make Absolem hate David and plot against him? (Not necessarily an actual question btw. Will explain in the post body)

Sylvester · Dec 27, 2022

Context:
My dad and I have often disagreed between an event which is recorded in Exodus. I'm being vague because I don't want anyone's answers to be influenced by it.

I read this section today and I thought I'd like to get more clarity on this (which may give me more clarity on the exodus thing).

Just for the sake of discussion, let's say someone tells you that, without God's bidding, Absolem wouldn't have conspired against David, slept with David's concubine, etc. So like, God made Absolem do all that. And they show you the verses below.

What would you tell them? If the words are to be interpreted in another way, can you give some examples in the Bible to back up what you say? Thanks a lot in advance!

“This is what the Lord says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight. You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.’ ”
2 Samuel 12:11‭-‬12 NIV

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“This is what the LORD says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep wi

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disciple Clint · Dec 28, 2022

Sylvester said:
Context:
My dad and I have often disagreed between an event which is recorded in Exodus. I'm being vague because I don't want anyone's answers to be influenced by it.

I read this section today and I thought I'd like to get more clarity on this (which may give me more clarity on the exodus thing).

Just for the sake of discussion, let's say someone tells you that, without God's bidding, Absolem wouldn't have conspired against David, slept with David's concubine, etc. So like, God made Absolem do all that. And they show you the verses below.

What would you tell them? If the words are to be interpreted in another way, can you give some examples in the Bible to back up what you say? Thanks a lot in advance!

“This is what the Lord says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight. You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.’ ”
2 Samuel 12:11‭-‬12 NIV

2 Samuel 12:11-12 “This is what the LORD says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep wi | New International Version (NI

“This is what the LORD says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep wi

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I would say that God does not cause sin that would be total against His nature, God however knows exactly what is going to happen and God can and in this case did use that knowledge to show David the depth of his sin and that sin has consequences.

Sylvester · Dec 28, 2022

disciple Clint said:
I would say that God does not cause sin that would be total against His nature, God however knows exactly what is going to happen and God can and in this case did use that knowledge to show David the depth of his sin and that sin has consequences.

True. Thanks. I'm wondering if you can share any Bible verses or incidents which you base that opinion on.

disciple Clint · Dec 29, 2022

Sylvester said:
True. Thanks. I'm wondering if you can share any Bible verses or incidents which you base that opinion on.

I would suggest you google the character of God and also read a couple of commentaries on the verse you have questioned, research is a valuable learning tool.

Blade · Jan 1, 2023

God does not cannot go against mans will. Our life plays out by the choices we make. God cannot do evil. Hate is not of God.

Bob Crowley · Feb 9, 2023

David set the scene himself to some extent. He had several wives and a number of concubines. He liked the ladies.

His sons would have seen David's behaviour and taken it on board. If it was all right for him, then it should be all right for them.

While they all had one father, the king, they were mostly half and not full brothers.

When Amnom raped Absolom's sister (taking his father's moral example a violent stage further) he enraged Absolom, who conspired to kill him. Absolom then fled to Geshur for safety. Eventually he was allowed to return due to Joab's dealings with David, but he was still alienated from his father.

Apparently he should have been next in line for the throne, but I doubt whether David's choice of Bathsheba's son Solomon was an absolute secret. Absolom would have been aware of it. And that would have stoked a lot of resentment, particularly when Bathsheba was originally an adulterous love interest for David.

If David was looking for a reason for his son's rebellion, he had set the scene himself. The chickens had come home to roost.

There's a Jewish site here which refers to Absolom's rebellion.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/463978/jewish/Absaloms-Revolt.htm

ValeriyK2022 · Apr 5, 2023

God knows the desires of angels, demons and all people, even those who are not yet born. Some desires are good, while others are evil. Knowing evil desires, God can prevent their fulfillment, or not. When God protects a person, he does not allow demons and evil people to do what they want with him. And when God removes His protection, they can do whatever evil they want to do. This is also described in the murder of Abel (God allowed this so that evil would come out and manifest itself), and God did not allow Cain to be killed (so that he would have time to think about his act). It was in Job's life: God allowed Satan to temporarily torment Job, make him suffer, so that Job would be a good example of patience for future generations. God protected King David and David remained alive (despite many wars and assassination attempts on him), and when King Saul overflowed the cup of his sins, God allowed his enemies to kill him. And there are many such examples.

Thus, God does not force to do evil. But since there are always a lot of people who want to do evil, it is enough for God to stop protecting a person so that demons (as in the book of Tobit, Job) or people do evil to him.

anetazo · Jun 29, 2023

Hebrews, God chastisement of those He loves. If Christian messes up, thier will be correction. Kiss the paddle and move on. Second samuel chapter 15. Absolam is one of David's son's. But the lesson you should learn is. Absolam is type for Antichrist. Thiers a conspiracy between God and satan. The truth is, satan always wanted the Mercy seat, to be Messiah. Get the picture. Second thessalonians chapter 2, the son of perdition is satan, he comes 6th trump in his role as antichrist near future, Jerusalem. He will pervert justice, and pretend to be a environmentalist. Let's face reality. How many people will sell out to antichrist near future??. The moral compass in our generation is down the toilet. Revelation chapter 13, whole world will worship antichrist, except the saints. Those who have seal of God wont worship antichrist, that's very few. Analysts of God's word. Absalom is type for antichrist. Ephesians chapter 6, knowledge and wisdom is the key past antichrist lies and deception. Gospel armour!.

Sylvester · Jul 1, 2023

ValeriyK2022 said:
God knows the desires of angels, demons and all people, even those who are not yet born. Some desires are good, while others are evil. Knowing evil desires, God can prevent their fulfillment, or not. When God protects a person, he does not allow demons and evil people to do what they want with him. And when God removes His protection, they can do whatever evil they want to do. This is also described in the murder of Abel (God allowed this so that evil would come out and manifest itself), and God did not allow Cain to be killed (so that he would have time to think about his act). It was in Job's life: God allowed Satan to temporarily torment Job, make him suffer, so that Job would be a good example of patience for future generations. God protected King David and David remained alive (despite many wars and assassination attempts on him), and when King Saul overflowed the cup of his sins, God allowed his enemies to kill him. And there are many such examples.

Thus, God does not force to do evil. But since there are always a lot of people who want to do evil, it is enough for God to stop protecting a person so that demons (as in the book of Tobit, Job) or people do evil to him.

Good points. Thanks a lot for replying. Yeah, it's totally possible. Since God is preventing it from happening, it's possible that He talks as if He's doing. I mean in effect He is doing it since He prevents Satan from doing many things but decides to let him have his way in certain incidents. I guess this Absalom thing is different to the Exodus thing I had mentioned. In the one, the Bible talks about the pharaoh hardening his heart and not letting the Israelites go. But some verses also have God saying things like He would harden pharaoh's heart so that the people can see God's power or something like that. I guess, the pharaoh wasn't a Godly guy and God just hardened his heart so that he could bring down the plagues on Egypt to show His power. Kind of weird to put it like that. But it is what it is, I guess. We humans probably value the earthly life a lot more than God does. So I guess He figured it's worth it.

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