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Your logic here has two problems:
1. What message did Miller actually give? He gave the message that Jesus was coming in 1843. People were tested, according to Ellen, on their reception of Miller's actual message, not the later Adventist revision.
It was specifically the time-setting that folks rejected. Why? Because the Bible says NOT to predict the timing of Jesus COMING. It was the part that involved Jesus coming that caused them to reject it in the first place. They were 100 percent right in rejecting the message that Jesus' coming could be set to a time.
Now if they were 100 percent right to reject that notion then why would God punish them for following what the Bible says?
2. Ellen said God was behind the preaching of time in 1843. That was not even the right year.
I saw that God was in the proclamation of the time in 1843. It was His design to arouse the people and bring them to a testing point, where they should decide for or against the truth.
So BOTH elements of that message were wrong. Both the time and the event were wrong. There was nothing right about it. But Ellen says God was angry with those who rejected this false message.
2. Ellen said God was behind the preaching of time in 1843. That was not even the right year.
I saw that God was in the proclamation of the time in 1843. It was His design to arouse the people and bring them to a testing point, where they should decide for or against the truth.
So BOTH elements of that message were wrong. Both the time and the event were wrong. There was nothing right about it. But Ellen says God was angry with those who rejected this false message.
Have you read the ACTUAL 15 'proofs'??? As a self-claimed 'researcher' you should be able to recognize the falacy of the actual 'proofs' Miller presented. HAVE YOU READ THEM??? Conklin, find them and READ them! If you're honest you'll see it.The timing clearly pointed to 1843/4.
You're skipping over the proofs you've assumed are accurate! You've made condclusions based on assumptions. 1843/44 is NOT proven! READ THE PROOFS!What should have been in question was whether or not the "cleansing of the sanctuary" meant the literal return of Christ.
Check the ACTUAL 15 'proofs'! That will explain a lot for you if you're willing to do the 'research'.The operative assumption of the 2,000 Christian preachers across denominational lines in the Millerite movement was proven wrong. The test was do they go with what they knew was true or do they reject everything?
PM them to me.
Have you read the ACTUAL 15 'proofs'???
Not to mention the lengthy bibliographies to back them up. Versus the zip, nada, zilch bibliographies from the critics. Do I have to post them again? Didn't you learn the last time?!?As a self-claimed 'researcher'
I will. Send them to me and I'll do the work that none of the critics have done just as I did to the plagiarism claim.That will explain a lot for you if you're willing to do the 'research'.
Look them up yourself! You're the 'researcher'! You're making claims built on them! You should be able to recite them from memory! Come on David! YOU should present them in full and defend them. Post them in FULL (and in their original wording) here for all to evaluate!PM them to me.
Not to mention the lengthy bibliographies to back them up. Versus the zip, nada, zilch bibliographies from the critics. Do I have to post them again? Didn't you learn the last time?!?
I will. Send them to me and I'll do the work that none of the critics have done just as I did to the plagiarism claim.
There wasn't massive rejection of the misinterpreted message until after the fact. Many fully accepted the idea of Christ second advent even going so far as to sell property or empty bank accounts to get ready for it.
God was fully behind the message and the timing of Dan 8:14 and it was fully right, not wrong. The belief that the cleansing was the second advent was what was wrong.
There wasn't massive rejection of the misinterpreted message until after the fact. Many fully accepted the idea of Christ second advent even going so far as to sell property or empty bank accounts to get ready for it.
God was fully behind the message and the timing of Dan 8:14 and it was fully right, not wrong.
The belief that the cleansing was the second advent was what was wrong.
The timing clearly pointed to 1843/4.
What should have been in question was whether or not the "cleansing of the sanctuary" meant the literal return of Christ. The operative assumption of the 2,000 Christian preachers across denominational lines in the Millerite movement was proven wrong. The test was do they go with what they knew was true or do they reject everything?
There was no 1843/1844. It was FIRST 18443 THEN 1844.
Stop re-writing history.
Conklin Mrs. White said it was a HEAVENLY message, not an earthly blunder. She said that the preaching of the time in 1843 was God's doing.What should have been in question was whether or not the "cleansing of the sanctuary" meant the literal return of Christ. The operative assumption of the 2,000 Christian preachers across denominational lines in the Millerite movement was proven wrong. The test was do they go with what they knew was true or do they reject everything?
She even said to leave all the figures one the 1843 chart because it was just as God wanted. Even though it was completely wrong.
I'm not re-writing history. To say 1843/4 = first 1843 then 1844.
Jud Lake had already answered this line of questioning. See Miller's 15 Different Proofs thread for the link.
Jim, they said Jesus was coming. That was Miller's message. Was that right or wrong? That was wrong.
They said it would be in 1843. Was that right or wrong? Wrong, even Adventists say the IJ happened in 1844.
Neither were right.
Jim, was not that wrong thing part of Miller's message? Yes. And Ellen said God used that WRONG message to test people.
But the time was wrong too. She even admits it but says God covered it up so they wouldn't know it.
Jim, quit dancing around the issue. Did Miller preach the coming of Jesus in 1843? Yes. Did Ellen say that people who rejected that false message were inciting God's anger? Yes. There is no way you can say with a straight face that Miller's message in 1843 was anything but that Jesus was coming in 1843. And it was wrong on all counts.
Jim, they said Jesus was coming. That was Miller's message. Was that right or wrong? That was wrong.
They said it would be in 1843. Was that right or wrong? Wrong, even Adventists say the IJ happened in 1844.
Neither were right.
Jim, was not that wrong thing part of Miller's message? Yes. And Ellen said God used that WRONG message to test people.
But the time was wrong too. She even admits it but says God covered it up so they wouldn't know it.
Jim, quit dancing around the issue. Did Miller preach the coming of Jesus in 1843? Yes.
Jim, they said Jesus was coming. That was Miller's message. Was that right or wrong? That was wrong.
Jim, quit dancing around the issue. Did Miller preach the coming of Jesus in 1843? Yes. Did Ellen say that people who rejected that false message were inciting God's anger? Yes. There is no way you can say with a straight face that Miller's message in 1843 was anything but that Jesus was coming in 1843. And it was wrong on all counts.
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