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Where did you get this from?
Sorry, but the debt of sin was too great to just wave a magic wand to make it go away. The debt is covered by the blood of Christ, and God will no longer see our sin.But that sounds like the sort of reasoning that also gave us a PERPETUALLY virginal Mary who was immaculately conceived.
Isn't it enough to believe that God conquered death in order to pardon us all and put an end to scapegoating and the terrible logic of sacrifice once and for all?
I have a step sister whose dad was also an alcoholic. He died when she was about six. My dad married her mum some years after my mum died (she had cancer).
On a lighter note: My step mum was a district nurse in the Rhondda. One day she bumped into a young lass whose dad she used to visit. Their conversation went:
'Well hello, Mary. And how's your dad then?'
'Oh...he's died, Mrs Lewis. He died last week see.'
'Oh dear....there's a pity. What did he die of, then?'
'Well, nothing serious!'
That's just it....
For Adam and Eve at that time in the Garden, following God would have been no different than following Satan in their minds. In fact, Satan wasn't exactly lying to Eve... Nor did Eve lie to Adam.
Lol! May we all die of something not serious. Like extreme old age. : )
Only if I can still muster a few marbles
Is this LDS doctrine? Reading Romans 5 makes it crystal clear, imo, that Adam sinned.
I've believed a few lies in my life, and I know what a lie is.That is a good point. God warned Adam against eating the fruit, but did not warn him against satan's lies.
I've believed a few lies in my life, and I know what a lie is.
How could these poor folks know they were being lied to, when they didn't even know what a lie was?
I can't agree with that.That's just it....
For Adam and Eve at that time in the Garden, following God would have been no different than following Satan in their minds. In fact, Satan wasn't exactly lying to Eve... Nor did Eve lie to Adam.
I've believed a few lies in my life, and I know what a lie is.
How could these poor folks know they were being lied to, when they didn't even know what a lie was?
im asking this question because there are many who believe that Adam is a dirty dog. Here is my reasoning to why they are not and were following the plan of God. Adam and Eve were placed in the garden of Eden. They were innocent of knowledge of good and evil. Satan was allowed to tempt them and Eve partook of the fruit and gave it to Adam. I believe that Adam and Eve disobeyed Gods law to not eat the fruit. God had told them not to eat of the fruit or they would die. Since there had not yet had death enter into the garden did they understand what the consequences of their choice? Since they did not know good and evil, could Adam and Eve understood what the law was and the consequences? They did disobey and as a result death came into the world. Sin also came into the world because of imperfection. I believe that to justice it does not matter if someone disobeys having full knowledge and understanding of the law broken or if someone is innocent of the law. It is still disobedience and there are consequences that must come as a result. The punishment is the same. Logic dictates that this was Gods plan all along because why would he allow satan to tempt them? Why would God place the tree of knowledge of good and evil for them to be tempted. I believe that God wanted Adam to eat the fruit so mortality would come to this earth as well so we could know good from evil. To experience the opposites of life so we could continue to progress. So to me Adam and Eve did not sin. They did transgress Gods law which had the same punishment.
im asking this question because there are many who believe that Adam is a dirty dog. Here is my reasoning to why they are not and were following the plan of God. Adam and Eve were placed in the garden of Eden. They were innocent of knowledge of good and evil. Satan was allowed to tempt them and Eve partook of the fruit and gave it to Adam. I believe that Adam and Eve disobeyed Gods law to not eat the fruit. God had told them not to eat of the fruit or they would die. Since there had not yet had death enter into the garden did they understand what the consequences of their choice? Since they did not know good and evil, could Adam and Eve understood what the law was and the consequences? They did disobey and as a result death came into the world. Sin also came into the world because of imperfection. I believe that to justice it does not matter if someone disobeys having full knowledge and understanding of the law broken or if someone is innocent of the law. It is still disobedience and there are consequences that must come as a result. The punishment is the same. Logic dictates that this was Gods plan all along because why would he allow satan to tempt them? Why would God place the tree of knowledge of good and evil for them to be tempted. I believe that God wanted Adam to eat the fruit so mortality would come to this earth as well so we could know good from evil. To experience the opposites of life so we could continue to progress. So to me Adam and Eve did not sin. They did transgress Gods law which had the same punishment.
As my youngest (a daughter) said to me on my 50th birthday: 'Well, it's downhill all the way now, dad. And when going downhill things run faster and faster!'
It is counted as sin, but your point is appreciated. God is indeed just, to turn their curse into a blessing.im asking this question because there are many who believe that Adam is a dirty dog. Here is my reasoning to why they are not and were following the plan of God. Adam and Eve were placed in the garden of Eden. They were innocent of knowledge of good and evil. Satan was allowed to tempt them and Eve partook of the fruit and gave it to Adam. I believe that Adam and Eve disobeyed Gods law to not eat the fruit. God had told them not to eat of the fruit or they would die. Since there had not yet had death enter into the garden did they understand what the consequences of their choice? Since they did not know good and evil, could Adam and Eve understood what the law was and the consequences? They did disobey and as a result death came into the world. Sin also came into the world because of imperfection. I believe that to justice it does not matter if someone disobeys having full knowledge and understanding of the law broken or if someone is innocent of the law. It is still disobedience and there are consequences that must come as a result. The punishment is the same. Logic dictates that this was Gods plan all along because why would he allow satan to tempt them? Why would God place the tree of knowledge of good and evil for them to be tempted. I believe that God wanted Adam to eat the fruit so mortality would come to this earth as well so we could know good from evil. To experience the opposites of life so we could continue to progress. So to me Adam and Eve did not sin. They did transgress Gods law which had the same punishment.
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