Did Adam name all the Dinosaurs?

juvenissun · May 10, 2012

TLK Valentine said:
I'm always interested in learning more about Biblical mythology -- where would you like to begin?

What does mythology mean? Could a myth be true?

TLK Valentine · May 10, 2012

juvenissun said:
What does mythology mean? Could a myth be true?

Of course it could -- a myth is simply a story that is passed down among a culture that has a meaning beyond literal truth.

Could it be true? Of course. Is a given myth true? The correct answer to that (regardless of the myth) is "it doesn't matter; that's not the point of the story."

MorkandMindy · May 11, 2012

Buy Bologna said:
Did Adam name all the Dinosaurs?

1. None of us were there at the time, so I suggest we at least listen to the word of the only sentient being who was there and made a record for us; that is God.

2. After pretty much randomly passing out names at the start Adam got fed up and started naming using the names he was using for each genus and then giving a second name for the species, sort of like our first and last names but the other way around because they were backward back then. Because people don't believe in God any more this way of naming is called 'Linnaean taxonomy' after another guy who got fed up with the lack of a sensible system.

3. Adam named the Iguanodon after the shape of it's tooth, showing that he had both dinosaurs and lizards there in front of him at the same time. He didn't notice that the Iguanodon was about 20 times bigger because Adam was a bit short sighted.

and that's about it

juvenissun · May 11, 2012

TLK Valentine said:
Of course it could -- a myth is simply a story that is passed down among a culture that has a meaning beyond literal truth.

Could it be true? Of course. Is a given myth true? The correct answer to that (regardless of the myth) is "it doesn't matter; that's not the point of the story."

If a myth could be true or not be true, then why does the question "is it true?" not matter? I think it should be a real concern.

TLK Valentine · May 11, 2012

juvenissun said:
If a myth could be true or not be true, then why does the question "is it true?" not matter? I think it should be a real concern.

Ask yourself this: Did Jesus' parables actually happen? Is that why he told them?

juvenissun · May 11, 2012

TLK Valentine said:
Ask yourself this: Did Jesus' parables actually happen? Is that why he told them?

Jesus the Lord is not a myth. A person can say anything for the illustration of a point. In this case, as you said, they are "parables', not myths.

TLK Valentine · May 11, 2012

juvenissun said:
Jesus the Lord is not a myth. A person can say anything for the illustration of a point.

Thank you -- you just answered your own question.

I highlighted in case you missed it.

In this case, as you said, they are "parables', not myths.

And do you know what the difference is? A parable focuses on a moral lesson, as opposed to other types of myth, which usually have either a social or etiological one.

Parables can become myths if they're passed down long enough -- many of Grimm's Fairy Tales were originally cautionary parables.

juvenissun · May 11, 2012

TLK Valentine said:
Thank you -- you just answered your own question.

I highlighted in case you missed it.

And do you know what the difference is? A parable focuses on a moral lesson, as opposed to other types of myth, which usually have either a social or etiological one.

Parables can become myths if they're passed down long enough -- many of Grimm's Fairy Tales were originally cautionary parables.

So, is the resurrection of Jesus Christ a myth?

TLK Valentine · May 11, 2012

juvenissun said:
So, is the resurrection of Jesus Christ a myth?

Yes -- it is a cultural story which has been passed down for generations, with a more important meaning than historical fact.

And before you have an aneurysm, answer me this: does Jesus Christ's resurrection from the dead only have meaning because you consider it historical fact, or is there a more important theological truth to it?

drjean · May 11, 2012

Buy Bologna said:
I was just curious about some of your thoughts on this.

Is Adam a literal person? If so, let me try to read this in context.

If Adam is literal, then did he/did he not literally name ALL the animals?

Let me know your outlook on this. Thanx.

Yes of course--they all have names don't they? No, seriously, he did.
Yes Adam was a real person. When the Bible tells a "story" and uses names then it's a real story. When no actual names are used "there was a man.." then it's generally a teaching story only.

I believe God when he said all things created were created by HIM.
I personally think that after the flood, because of the loss of the canopy around the earth, the dinosaurs died off. There are however toy dinosaurs from the pyramids containing children's sarcophagi. There is also at least one fossil print that contains a dinosaur print and a human print made at the same time....just in case you were wondering if I believe they existed.

juvenissun · May 12, 2012

TLK Valentine said:
Yes -- it is a cultural story which has been passed down for generations, with a more important meaning than historical fact.

And before you have an aneurysm, answer me this: does Jesus Christ's resurrection from the dead only have meaning because you consider it historical fact, or is there a more important theological truth to it?

For me, a scientist, the truth of the resurrection of Jesus is confirmed the other way around. I have no idea if this event is historically true or not. But from other historical accuracy of the Bible (that is a lot), the truth of the resurrection myth is logically confirmed.

There is a way to evaluate any myth. It is a very practical one. Does the trueness of this myth matter? How important is it for this myth to be true? From this point of view, the resurrection of Jesus Christ is at the top of the scale: without this myth, the Christianity collapses. Does it make sense that the whole religious system is built upon this single myth? No. It does not. This myth has to be true. It is impossible to treat tens of thousands of people in Jesus time as idiots.

TLK Valentine · May 12, 2012

juvenissun said:
For me, a scientist,

You're a scientist? What's your field?

the truth of the resurrection of Jesus is confirmed the other way around. I have no idea if this event is historically true or not. But from other historical accuracy of the Bible (that is a lot), the truth of the resurrection myth is logically confirmed.

So, because a lot of other (unrelated) events mentioned are true, the resurrection must be true as well? That doesn't sound very logical at all.

That's like saying that since The Wizard of Oz contained Kansas, tornadoes, little people, yellow bricks, scarecrows, tin, woodsmen, lions (and tigers and bears, oh my!), which are all true, then of course, witches melting on contact with water must be true as well.

Again, what kind of scientist are you?

There is a way to evaluate any myth. It is a very practical one. Does the trueness of this myth matter? How important is it for this myth to be true? From this point of view, the resurrection of Jesus Christ is at the top of the scale: without this myth, the Christianity collapses. Does it make sense that the whole religious system is built upon this single myth? No. It does not. This myth has to be true. It is impossible to treat tens of thousands of people in Jesus time as idiots.

So, you consider argumentum ad populum to be a valid logical proof.

Word of advice -- if your going to call yourself a scientist, keep your mouth shut immediately afterwards, in order to maintain the illusion.

juvenissun · May 12, 2012

TLK Valentine said:
You're a scientist? What's your field?

So, because a lot of other (unrelated) events mentioned are true, the resurrection must be true as well? That doesn't sound very logical at all.

That's like saying that since The Wizard of Oz contained Kansas, tornadoes, little people, yellow bricks, scarecrows, tin, woodsmen, lions (and tigers and bears, oh my!), which are all true, then of course, witches melting on contact with water must be true as well.

Again, what kind of scientist are you?

So, you consider argumentum ad populum to be a valid logical proof.

Word of advice -- if your going to call yourself a scientist, keep your mouth shut immediately afterwards, in order to maintain the illusion.

They are related to each other very tightly in logic. In fact, the design of the logic system is beyond what human can figure out.

Wiccan_Child · May 12, 2012

juvenissun said:
They are related to each other very tightly in logic. In fact, the design of the logic system is beyond what human can figure out.

Yes, because it makes any sense to talk about logic as something 'designed'.

drjean · May 12, 2012

Buy Bologna said:
I was just curious about some of your thoughts on this.

Is Adam a literal person? If so, let me try to read this in context.

If Adam is literal, then did he/did he not literally name ALL the animals?

Let me know your outlook on this. Thanx.

Can we get back to the topic? I'm interested in your thoughts as well.

TLK Valentine · May 12, 2012

juvenissun said:
They are related to each other very tightly in logic. In fact, the design of the logic system is beyond what human can figure out.

I noticed you're avoiding the issue of you calling yourself a scientist, and me calling you out. I think I'd like to address that nonsense before dealing with the above nonsense.

Come on, Juven -- you called yourself a scientist; now put up or shut up.

juvenissun · May 13, 2012

drjean said:
Can we get back to the topic? I'm interested in your thoughts as well.

The OP is no longer valid. That guy ran away. He couldn't deal with the feedback to his question.

juvenissun · May 13, 2012

TLK Valentine said:
I noticed you're avoiding the issue of you calling yourself a scientist, and me calling you out. I think I'd like to address that nonsense before dealing with the above nonsense.

Come on, Juven -- you called yourself a scientist; now put up or shut up.

It is a simple question. But it is irrelevant.
If you have nothing better to say, then we can stop this conversation.

MorkandMindy · May 13, 2012

juvenissun said:
The OP is no longer valid. That guy ran away.

Buy Bologna found that dinosaurs were actually coexistent with humans and got chased away by an Allosaurus.

That wasn't a nice experience but let's hope he eventually comes back.

MorkandMindy · May 13, 2012

juvenissun said:
...This myth has to be true. It is impossible to treat tens of thousands of people in Jesus time as idiots.

This is sort of on topic as the OP is as much about whether there was a literal Adam as whether Adam literally named all the dinosaurs.

So I'll try to answer it.

1 Cor 1.23 'but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,'

The witnesses to the resurrected Jesus would have been Jews, so they would be the first to believe it, yet 1 Corinthians states that they didn't accept the Christ crucified.

If the Gospels are either an invention or a midrash then the tens of thousands of eye witnesses are also part of the story and simply did not exist.

I think you have to be a bit more sympathetic to the stance TLK has taken (though not to the way he has taken it).

Basically it would be as convincing for me to tell you that the Slitheen exist because thousands saw their space craft hit Big Ben in London, (and that includes paratroopers who are not likely to be imaginative, and hundreds who are not likely to corroborate their stories but all recalled much the same thing), but it's only convincing evidence if you take the Dr. Who story 'Aliens of London' as itself completely accurate.

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