Denial of science

Mortensen · Jun 6, 2006

How is it possible to totally deny what science figures out? I hear that there are many blievers out there that totally refuses the world of science and instead turnes to the book. I read that over 45% of America's population believes that the universe is less than ten tousand years old. I think this is I kind of massive number and I really can't believe there are that many, but to believe that the universe is that young, is just stupid. What reason is coming out of sticking with an ancient book, written for over a thousand years old when science disproves it with tons of evidence that "this is not how it was"?

And about revelution. I still cant believe that people don't believe that this is how the Earth's history happened! It is supported by tons of tons of evidence so that every man with a little knowledge about this field could draw a conclution that this really is how the Earth's history went on.

Mortensen · Jun 6, 2006

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starelda · Jun 6, 2006

Quite a few Americans I've bumped into on these forums believe in young earth creationism. So whilst I don't know about the 45% figure a lot do believe it. I did see a programme on TV one time which showed the finishing touches being put into a creation museum in the US...the museum taught the earth was just thousands of years old and that humans had walked around with the dinosaurs. Personally, I'm with you...I don't understand it either.

Though maybe check out the creation and evolution section...this kind question might get more replies there.

ApocryphaNow · Jun 6, 2006

It's part of the egoism of man, who created God in his own image. It's the conflict of the logical and social parts of the brain... the social saying that all that is important is human, the logical making it quite clear that we should know better than that.

Merlin · Jun 6, 2006

I worship the God of the Bible.
You worship the god of science.

I don't deny science, I simply don't accept that science is all knowing.

Mortensen · Jun 6, 2006

I don't deny science, I simply don't accept that science is all knowing.

Of course not... we all have to take science with a pinch of salt. Another example is to girls in my class wich is highly unsocial and their belief is very strong. After a nature class they refused to write down notes and sat down and said "I don't believe anything of this!". I just cant believe it and they couldnt be convinsed. Even the teacher made a shot without succsess...

DeepThinker · Jun 6, 2006

Mortensen said:
How is it possible to totally deny what science figures out? I hear that there are many blievers out there that totally refuses the world of science and instead turnes to the book. I read that over 45% of America's population believes that the universe is less than ten tousand years old. I think this is I kind of massive number and I really can't believe there are that many, but to believe that the universe is that young, is just stupid. What reason is coming out of sticking with an ancient book, written for over a thousand years old when science disproves it with tons of evidence that "this is not how it was"?

And about revelution. I still cant believe that people don't believe that this is how the Earth's history happened! It is supported by tons of tons of evidence so that every man with a little knowledge about this field could draw a conclution that this really is how the Earth's history went on.

Ahh well you cant convince everyone, some people just shut off their minds to ideas that conflict with their own, this is not just Christians or those of any other religion, but some scientists as well who only exept that science must be the way beacuse its something that you can see, which I dont think gives you any more reason to belive it if you think of things openly enough.
Remeber also that there are evidences that points to the reliability of the bible.http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-Word.html

(not cirtainties and no I do not agree with the author, in fact someone put this on another forum trying to tell me there was absolute proof it is the word of God, and I activly argued every point, and told him you could never fully prove anything. But still interesting points)

I personally belive that science and God are one in the same, for example in the Bible God creates animals before man, it does not say how he creates man, so it could be via evolution. The bible does not agree with science if you take it literally however, but I see the messages behind the words, you gotta take it with a pinch of salt, just like science.

DeepThinker · Jun 6, 2006

DeepThinker said:
I personally belive that science and God are one in the same.

By this I dont mean that science is God, i mean that you can use them together

dawiyd · Jun 6, 2006

To paraphrase Spinoza here: the purpose of Philosophy and Reason is to find Truth. The purpose of Religion is to induce obedience towards God.

And the purpose of science would be to explain the facts.

DeepThinker · Jun 6, 2006

dawiyd said:
To paraphrase Spinoza here: the purpose of Philosophy and Reason is to find Truth. The purpose of Religion is to induce obedience towards God.

And the purpose of science would be to explain the facts.

Nice, I like that I think I'll right it down

Mortensen · Jun 7, 2006

Hmm... but is there noone here thinking that the universe is less that ten thousand years old?

DeepThinker · Jun 7, 2006

Mortensen said:
Hmm... but is there noone here thinking that the universe is less that ten thousand years old?

Well I cirtainly dont think that, all the same its not impossible, but lets not bring that up when its not necessarry

ApocryphaNow · Jun 7, 2006

Mortensen said:
Hmm... but is there noone here thinking that the universe is less that ten thousand years old?

Yes... well, there are people like that on CF, but they don't bother with debates on it. The few who try invariably end up humiliated. Their views do not change, but they learn to be wary.

DeepThinker · Jun 7, 2006

Mortensen said:
Hmm... but is there noone here thinking that the universe is less that ten thousand years old?

I could argue the view point if it helps, as long as you know its not my own view.

ahem. The universe is not over ten thousand years old, scientific evidence that suggests against it has been put there by God to test our faith.

LittleManBeingErased · Jun 7, 2006

Im atheist, but i can show u its pretty easy to deny science.

It requires faith in your senses.

There, done, now there are other ways to deny science, but that ones easy. If you dont have faith that what your seeing is real, and you have no evidence whatsoever that what your seeing IS real, then science is easy to deny. You might think im being pedantic, but when yu think about it, there is actually no more reason to believe in science than other religions.

DeepThinker · Jun 7, 2006

LittleManBeingErased said:
Im atheist, but i can show u its pretty easy to deny science.

It requires faith in your senses.

There, done, now there are other ways to deny science, but that ones easy. If you dont have faith that what your seeing is real, and you have no evidence whatsoever that what your seeing IS real, then science is easy to deny. You might think im being pedantic, but when yu think about it, there is actually no more reason to believe in science than other religions.

Yes exactly! a very good point.

LordoftheLeftHand · Jun 8, 2006

LittleManBeingErased said:
Im atheist, but i can show u its pretty easy to deny science.

It requires faith in your senses.

There, done, now there are other ways to deny science, but that ones easy. If you dont have faith that what your seeing is real, and you have no evidence whatsoever that what your seeing IS real, then science is easy to deny. You might think im being pedantic, but when yu think about it, there is actually no more reason to believe in science than other religions.

Either there is:

#1 An objective reality independent of our perceptions and opinions (that a hot stove will burn your hand if you touch it).

#2 Reality is changed by our perceptions (that if you believe hard enough, you will not get burned by the hot stove).

Regardless of which of these ideas you pay lip service too, we have all learned that even if we don't believe #1 it is in our best interests to act as if we do believe it and not touch hot stoves.

Faith is having confidence in something without evidence. Some people have faith in god, others do not. It is silly to say we have faith in our senses. We have confidence in our senses based on a lifetime of evidence that our senses are very accurate (once in a while our senses fail us, like with an optical illusion).

If you do not have confidence in your senses, I recommend touching the next hot stove you come across, to make sure it is actually there.

LLH

RatzingerRocks · Jun 8, 2006

Mortensen said:
How is it possible to totally deny what science figures out? I hear that there are many blievers out there that totally refuses the world of science and instead turnes to the book. I read that over 45% of America's population believes that the universe is less than ten tousand years old. I think this is I kind of massive number and I really can't believe there are that many, but to believe that the universe is that young, is just stupid. What reason is coming out of sticking with an ancient book, written for over a thousand years old when science disproves it with tons of evidence that "this is not how it was"?

And about revelution. I still cant believe that people don't believe that this is how the Earth's history happened! It is supported by tons of tons of evidence so that every man with a little knowledge about this field could draw a conclution that this really is how the Earth's history went on.

I'm a very orthodox Catholic(as you may guss by the name ), and i beleive in evolution.

Read Jacques Maritain, he actually was a biologist(and atheist) untill he became one of the most influencial Catholic/Christain philosophers of this centurary

DeepThinker · Jun 9, 2006

LordoftheLeftHand said:
Either there is:

#1 An objective reality independent of our perceptions and opinions (that a hot stove will burn your hand if you touch it).

#2 Reality is changed by our perceptions (that if you believe hard enough, you will not get burned by the hot stove).

Regardless of which of these ideas you pay lip service too, we have all learned that even if we don't believe #1 it is in our best interests to act as if we do believe it and not touch hot stoves.

Faith is having confidence in something without evidence. Some people have faith in god, others do not. It is silly to say we have faith in our senses. We have confidence in our senses based on a lifetime of evidence that our senses are very accurate (once in a while our senses fail us, like with an optical illusion).

If you do not have confidence in your senses, I recommend touching the next hot stove you come across, to make sure it is actually there.

LLH

I DO have confidence in my senses but your experiment would prove nothing, if i got burned that would not "prove" the stove was hot or that the stove was even there, all it would prove is that your senses told you the stove was hot, and if your senses could be wrong this does not prove anything.

LordoftheLeftHand · Jun 9, 2006

DeepThinker said:
I DO have confidence in my senses but your experiment would prove nothing, if i got burned that would not "prove" the stove was hot or that the stove was even there, all it would prove is that your senses told you the stove was hot, and if your senses could be wrong this does not prove anything.

You're right. But that was not my point, my point was

Regardless of which of these ideas you pay lip service too, we have all learned that even if we don't believe #1 it is in our best interests to act as if we do believe it and not touch hot stoves.

LLH

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